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So far in the UK hospitalisations are increasing, but not dramatically so. There's also brouhaha about how London (where the wave is the worst) is at its peak,

So far in the UK hospitalisations are increasing, but not dramatically so. There's also brouhaha about how London (where the wave is the worst) is at its peak, or already on the way down. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ [bear in mind, the hospitalisation number is not quite what it seems. It is "people in hospital who happen to have Covid", not "people who got Covid so bad they need to be hospitalised". So if you have asymptomatic Covid and a broken leg, you count for this purpose. Still, you do require the whole Covid-safe theatre, medical staff in PPE so it's also not like "meh doesn't matter"]

mprovost 5y ago
The "peak" in London last week (if it really was the peak) had 1 in 10 people infected. Those are huge numbers, even if most people don't need hospitalisation.
- rich_sasha 5y ago
  Yes, I was speaking specifically about hospitalisation only.
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aorth 5y ago
According to your link there's definitely a bump in hospital admissions. Only time will tell how high that bump goes. Let's play it safe and reserve judgement just a little longer... https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=...
OJFord 5y ago
Hm, that's [that 'bear in mind'] correct: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/about-data#daily-and-cumulative-numbers-of-patients-admitted-to-hospital https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/about-data#daily-and... Just wanted to check that since (at at least one London hospital) they're on different wards (as in, even discounting that obviously you don't want 'broken leg with covid' on a general 'broken bones' ward with neg/query patients) so seems odd to me they'd report data like that vs. those needing treatment for it.
- rich_sasha 5y ago
  My understanding is, there's a fair few people at hospital with "bad Covid" who aren't in Intensive Care. For example, if you have steroids and Remdesivir given to you, you already need to be hospitalised. So there's at least three categories: people with really bad Covid, people with Covid bad enough they can't be at home, but not (at the time) awful, and people who don't suffer with Covid at all but could infect others, and something else is wrong with them. I think they are all challenging to the healthcare system in different ways. Ultimately, if you project a complex situation onto R^1, it can't be too accurate.
  - OJFord 5y ago
    Yeah, at the one I'm familiar with it's (as far as I know and not necessarily limited to) may-need-intensive-care; intensive-care; out-of-intensive-care; and isolation (the covid+, but only there for the broken leg example). > Ultimately, if you project a complex situation onto R^1, it can't be too accurate. Absolutely, and it's all too easy to make 'obvious' armchair policy..! I was just a bit surprised since my assumption would be it counted the relevant wards (if it were up to me, I think that would be the first three; only not the isolation-but-there-for-something-else).

mprovost 5y ago

The "peak" in London last week (if it really was the peak) had 1 in 10 people infected. Those are huge numbers, even if most people don't need hospitalisation.

rich_sasha 5y ago
Yes, I was speaking specifically about hospitalisation only.
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aorth 5y ago

According to your link there's definitely a bump in hospital admissions. Only time will tell how high that bump goes. Let's play it safe and reserve judgement just a little longer... https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=overview&areaName=United%20Kingdom https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=...

OJFord 5y ago

Hm, that's [that 'bear in mind'] correct: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/about-data#daily-and-cumulative-numbers-of-patients-admitted-to-hospital https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/about-data#daily-and... Just wanted to check that since (at at least one London hospital) they're on different wards (as in, even discounting that obviously you don't want 'broken leg with covid' on a general 'broken bones' ward with neg/query patients) so seems odd to me they'd report data like that vs. those needing treatment for it.

rich_sasha 5y ago
My understanding is, there's a fair few people at hospital with "bad Covid" who aren't in Intensive Care. For example, if you have steroids and Remdesivir given to you, you already need to be hospitalised. So there's at least three categories: people with really bad Covid, people with Covid bad enough they can't be at home, but not (at the time) awful, and people who don't suffer with Covid at all but could infect others, and something else is wrong with them. I think they are all challenging to the healthcare system in different ways. Ultimately, if you project a complex situation onto R^1, it can't be too accurate.
- OJFord 5y ago
  Yeah, at the one I'm familiar with it's (as far as I know and not necessarily limited to) may-need-intensive-care; intensive-care; out-of-intensive-care; and isolation (the covid+, but only there for the broken leg example). > Ultimately, if you project a complex situation onto R^1, it can't be too accurate. Absolutely, and it's all too easy to make 'obvious' armchair policy..! I was just a bit surprised since my assumption would be it counted the relevant wards (if it were up to me, I think that would be the first three; only not the isolation-but-there-for-something-else).