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I handle ~150TB and 26M page views for ~$500 by simply renting a few dedicated servers at hetzner. And if I didn't need quite a lot of processing power (more th

by mad182 5y ago

I handle ~150TB and 26M page views for ~$500 by simply renting a few dedicated servers at hetzner. And if I didn't need quite a lot of processing power (more than average website), it would be much lower. I only need so many servers for the CPU power, not traffic.

folli 5y ago
Any experience with other providers of dedicated servers, e.g. Digitalocean?
- mad182 5y ago
  Does DO even offer dedicated servers? I have used their vps in the past. It was ok, no issues, but more expensive than hetzners vps or dedicated for large traffic/cpu needs.
  - reducesuffering 5y ago
    Yes DO does. Generally slightly more expensive than Hetzner, with a few more AWS-like features.
- GOATS- 5y ago
  You cannot go wrong with Leaseweb or Nforce if you're looking for something in EU.
razemio 5y ago
This! Hetzner root servers, there is nothing else I know on the market that comes close in price/power ratio when you use the "Serverbörse". I run multiple low traffic websites, databases and a heavy traffic elk instance + my complete homelab in proxmox / docker for 48€ a month and there is even room for more. Highly recommended!
- SergeAx 5y ago
  What is your strategy for dealing with server failure?
  - mad182 5y ago
    My app allows for "share nothing" architecture, basically using multiple DNS A records as load balancing. Currently it has 6 servers. Even if 5 of them would go down at the same time, the site would still work as intended (thought probably couldn't handle peak load with less than 3 or 4). If one of or two are down, nothing happens. Also completely reinstalling a server takes around an hour.
    - SergeAx 5y ago
      Yes, but comment I was replying to mentioned a 48 euro budget, it is a price of a single server.
  - heipei 5y ago
    As long as you treat servers as cattle, you can use Hetzner's own load balancer service and then you don't have a SPOF that you manage yourself. Their LBs are advertised as redundant / fault tolerant.
    - SergeAx 5y ago
      I don't know if it is possible to treat "Serverbörse" servers as cattle. They are all different. I know that k8s and Docker Swarm could in theory balance load between different machines, but never tried it in practice. But I had in practice some weird glitches with different CPU/motherboards/memory. Also, comment I was replying to mentioned a 48 euro budget, it is a price of a single server.
      - hansel_der 5y ago
        i think the whole point of vm/container is to enable "servers as cattle"
- ornornor 5y ago
  That sounds very cool, did you happen to write about it? I currently run all this at home using a dedicated computer but electricity here isn’t cheap and I’d like to move everything to proxmox (although I’m struggling to figure out how to move all these more or less manually set up docker compose services and lxc containers)

by mad182 5y ago

folli 5y ago

Any experience with other providers of dedicated servers, e.g. Digitalocean?

mad182 5y ago
Does DO even offer dedicated servers? I have used their vps in the past. It was ok, no issues, but more expensive than hetzners vps or dedicated for large traffic/cpu needs.
- reducesuffering 5y ago
  Yes DO does. Generally slightly more expensive than Hetzner, with a few more AWS-like features.
GOATS- 5y ago
You cannot go wrong with Leaseweb or Nforce if you're looking for something in EU.

razemio 5y ago

This! Hetzner root servers, there is nothing else I know on the market that comes close in price/power ratio when you use the "Serverbörse". I run multiple low traffic websites, databases and a heavy traffic elk instance + my complete homelab in proxmox / docker for 48€ a month and there is even room for more. Highly recommended!

SergeAx 5y ago
What is your strategy for dealing with server failure?
- mad182 5y ago
  My app allows for "share nothing" architecture, basically using multiple DNS A records as load balancing. Currently it has 6 servers. Even if 5 of them would go down at the same time, the site would still work as intended (thought probably couldn't handle peak load with less than 3 or 4). If one of or two are down, nothing happens. Also completely reinstalling a server takes around an hour.
  - SergeAx 5y ago
    Yes, but comment I was replying to mentioned a 48 euro budget, it is a price of a single server.
- heipei 5y ago
  As long as you treat servers as cattle, you can use Hetzner's own load balancer service and then you don't have a SPOF that you manage yourself. Their LBs are advertised as redundant / fault tolerant.
  - SergeAx 5y ago
    I don't know if it is possible to treat "Serverbörse" servers as cattle. They are all different. I know that k8s and Docker Swarm could in theory balance load between different machines, but never tried it in practice. But I had in practice some weird glitches with different CPU/motherboards/memory. Also, comment I was replying to mentioned a 48 euro budget, it is a price of a single server.
    - hansel_der 5y ago
      i think the whole point of vm/container is to enable "servers as cattle"
ornornor 5y ago
That sounds very cool, did you happen to write about it? I currently run all this at home using a dedicated computer but electricity here isn’t cheap and I’d like to move everything to proxmox (although I’m struggling to figure out how to move all these more or less manually set up docker compose services and lxc containers)