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Wouldn’t it be more effective to chase China and India instead of squeezing the last few bits out of the rest of the world?

post_break 5y ago
Sure, but the idea of flying empty planes to maintain airport slots, while banning diesel or gas cars is giving me whiplash.
5etho 5y ago
>3000 flights >squeezing the last few bits tell that to .us companies that manufacture in China since 70s
vkou 5y ago
Only if your idea of fairness is five for me, and one for you. India's entire CO2 output is less than half that of the United States, by the way, and its per-capita output is one-eighth. [1] (And gods only know much methane is leaking from American wells. We really aren't interested in counting that.) If you're going to put the squeeze on someone, it should be on the latter... But because we aren't going to squeeze ourselves, we deflect, deflect, deflect. [1] Since it seems to get by on emitting one-eighth what we do, it sounds like there's plenty left to squeeze from our emissions.
simonhorlick 5y ago
The USA is the 2nd largest emitter of CO2, on a per-capita basis it's almost double that of China.
- feupan 5y ago
  Yeah but China’s population is just padding the numbers here. Its tail of “low-emitting citizens” is probably as high as the high-emitters. China is as capable as the rest of the first world to enforce higher standards if not more.
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- eezurr 5y ago
  I think that's because China (and India) haven't caught up to us yet (in terms of development, wealth, modernization).
  - redisman 5y ago
    Ok? So ignore the richest and most capable country?
  - DoingIsLearning 5y ago
    I am sorry no. You have plenty of first world countries with a fraction of the US and Canada's per capita emissions. You need to look within. You guys are very factually just wasteful. The US and Canada are the ones that stand out like a sore thumb among the First world countries. [0] Only countries like Qatar and Kuwait are more wasteful than the US and Canada in CO2 per capita emissions. [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?tab=chart&country=CAN~USA~GBR~JPN~NZL~CHE~SWE~FRA~DNK~ISR https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t... Edit: added stats, it almost looks bimodal.
    - aembleton 5y ago
      Australia too: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?tab=chart&country=CAN~USA~GBR~JPN~NZL~CHE~SWE~FRA~DNK~ISR~AUS https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t...
forgttnpass 5y ago
It’s difficult to encourage change when your own per-capita emissions are three times the global average and cumulative emissions are still double that of the nearest country. We need to change first. https://ourworldindata.org/per-capita-co2 https://ourworldindata.org/per-capita-co2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_...
adrianN 5y ago
What "last few bits"? Essentially no country is on track for the Paris targets with their emission reduction plans, and the actual implementations lag behind even further: https://climateactiontracker.org https://climateactiontracker.org
nmridul 5y ago
It is going to increase the cost for USA as most of these pollution is for goods imported by US >> China has some of the dirtiest air in the world, but a large share of the country's pollutants are generated during the manufacture of goods destined for countries like the United States, according to a new study. >> about a fifth to a third of China's air pollutants—which include sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, and carbon monoxide—were associated with the production of goods for export, and that about a fifth of those amounts were linked to the production of goods for the United States. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/140122-made-in-china-pollution-from-exports https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/140122-ma... https://www.pnas.org/content/111/5/1736 https://www.pnas.org/content/111/5/1736

post_break 5y ago

Sure, but the idea of flying empty planes to maintain airport slots, while banning diesel or gas cars is giving me whiplash.

5etho 5y ago

>3000 flights >squeezing the last few bits tell that to .us companies that manufacture in China since 70s

vkou 5y ago

Only if your idea of fairness is five for me, and one for you. India's entire CO2 output is less than half that of the United States, by the way, and its per-capita output is one-eighth. [1] (And gods only know much methane is leaking from American wells. We really aren't interested in counting that.) If you're going to put the squeeze on someone, it should be on the latter... But because we aren't going to squeeze ourselves, we deflect, deflect, deflect. [1] Since it seems to get by on emitting one-eighth what we do, it sounds like there's plenty left to squeeze from our emissions.

simonhorlick 5y ago

The USA is the 2nd largest emitter of CO2, on a per-capita basis it's almost double that of China.

feupan 5y ago
Yeah but China’s population is just padding the numbers here. Its tail of “low-emitting citizens” is probably as high as the high-emitters. China is as capable as the rest of the first world to enforce higher standards if not more.
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eezurr 5y ago
I think that's because China (and India) haven't caught up to us yet (in terms of development, wealth, modernization).
- redisman 5y ago
  Ok? So ignore the richest and most capable country?
- DoingIsLearning 5y ago
  I am sorry no. You have plenty of first world countries with a fraction of the US and Canada's per capita emissions. You need to look within. You guys are very factually just wasteful. The US and Canada are the ones that stand out like a sore thumb among the First world countries. [0] Only countries like Qatar and Kuwait are more wasteful than the US and Canada in CO2 per capita emissions. [0] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?tab=chart&country=CAN~USA~GBR~JPN~NZL~CHE~SWE~FRA~DNK~ISR https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t... Edit: added stats, it almost looks bimodal.
  - aembleton 5y ago
    Australia too: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?tab=chart&country=CAN~USA~GBR~JPN~NZL~CHE~SWE~FRA~DNK~ISR~AUS https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita?t...

forgttnpass 5y ago

It’s difficult to encourage change when your own per-capita emissions are three times the global average and cumulative emissions are still double that of the nearest country. We need to change first. https://ourworldindata.org/per-capita-co2 https://ourworldindata.org/per-capita-co2 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_...

adrianN 5y ago

What "last few bits"? Essentially no country is on track for the Paris targets with their emission reduction plans, and the actual implementations lag behind even further: https://climateactiontracker.org https://climateactiontracker.org

nmridul 5y ago

It is going to increase the cost for USA as most of these pollution is for goods imported by US >> China has some of the dirtiest air in the world, but a large share of the country's pollutants are generated during the manufacture of goods destined for countries like the United States, according to a new study. >> about a fifth to a third of China's air pollutants—which include sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, and carbon monoxide—were associated with the production of goods for export, and that about a fifth of those amounts were linked to the production of goods for the United States. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/140122-made-in-china-pollution-from-exports https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/140122-ma... https://www.pnas.org/content/111/5/1736 https://www.pnas.org/content/111/5/1736