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> I get the impression that a lot of the critics in this thread don't really understand Cloudflare, how cheap it is, or even the concept of CDNs in general. Yo

> I get the impression that a lot of the critics in this thread don't really understand Cloudflare, how cheap it is, or even the concept of CDNs in general. You’re talking past the point here. It doesn’t matter how cheap if you’re fundamentally opposed to enabling cloud flare to reach its meat hooks further into the Internet. This is no different from arguments about embedding google analytics or “just paying for windows” instead of using Linux.

manigandham 5y ago
CDNs are a commodity business with tons of competition. Cloudflare is winning by offering a better product. You should take issue with all the other companies that have failed to deliver something as compelling.
- capableweb 5y ago
  I don't think the problem is a specific CDN. Is that everyone ends up using the same CDN, so when Cloudflare has problems, it affects everyone. Same with AWS, large swaths of the internet goes down if AWS does, which sounds great for AWS in marketing material, but less great for the general usability of the web.
Karrot_Kream 5y ago
> You’re talking past the point here What point? Nobody said anything about "cloud flare to reach its meat hooks" in the article or the above thread except you?
- fivea 5y ago
  > What point? Nobody said anything about "cloud flare to reach its meat hooks" in the article or the above thread except you? The OP mention "cloud flare to reach its meat hooks" in the thread attacking those who haven't jumped into Cloud flare's bandwagon by putting up a strawman on how that's only due to ignorance. OP clarified that misrepresentation by pointing out the risk of allowing a single company to control the CDN market specifically and serving web content in general.
bryanrasmussen 5y ago
I figure helping Cloudflare get it's meathooks in the internet offsets all the really big companies that have their meathooks in, or at any rate doesn't worsen the real problem.
- fivea 5y ago
  > (...) helping Cloudflare get it's meathooks in the internet offsets all the really big companies (...) What? No. Cloudflare reported a revenue of half a billion dollars, and already controls about half the CDN market. Let's put things in perspective: in comparison with Cloudflare's business, AWS is a minor player and an underdog with less than half of Cloudflare's market share. Cloudflare is by no means a small company or an upstart or a David among Goliaths. Cloudflare is in fact and by far the Goliath of the CDN world.
  - rambambram 5y ago
    Just to understand you better: are you only talking about CDN activities from AWS here? Because I see websites talking about a quarterly revenue of tens of billions of dollars for AWS.

manigandham 5y ago

CDNs are a commodity business with tons of competition. Cloudflare is winning by offering a better product. You should take issue with all the other companies that have failed to deliver something as compelling.

capableweb 5y ago
I don't think the problem is a specific CDN. Is that everyone ends up using the same CDN, so when Cloudflare has problems, it affects everyone. Same with AWS, large swaths of the internet goes down if AWS does, which sounds great for AWS in marketing material, but less great for the general usability of the web.

Karrot_Kream 5y ago

> You’re talking past the point here What point? Nobody said anything about "cloud flare to reach its meat hooks" in the article or the above thread except you?

fivea 5y ago
> What point? Nobody said anything about "cloud flare to reach its meat hooks" in the article or the above thread except you? The OP mention "cloud flare to reach its meat hooks" in the thread attacking those who haven't jumped into Cloud flare's bandwagon by putting up a strawman on how that's only due to ignorance. OP clarified that misrepresentation by pointing out the risk of allowing a single company to control the CDN market specifically and serving web content in general.

bryanrasmussen 5y ago

I figure helping Cloudflare get it's meathooks in the internet offsets all the really big companies that have their meathooks in, or at any rate doesn't worsen the real problem.

fivea 5y ago
> (...) helping Cloudflare get it's meathooks in the internet offsets all the really big companies (...) What? No. Cloudflare reported a revenue of half a billion dollars, and already controls about half the CDN market. Let's put things in perspective: in comparison with Cloudflare's business, AWS is a minor player and an underdog with less than half of Cloudflare's market share. Cloudflare is by no means a small company or an upstart or a David among Goliaths. Cloudflare is in fact and by far the Goliath of the CDN world.
- rambambram 5y ago
  Just to understand you better: are you only talking about CDN activities from AWS here? Because I see websites talking about a quarterly revenue of tens of billions of dollars for AWS.