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There's a pretty steep rise in gas prices in Europe these days related to the Ukrainian situation so I believe there must be some relation between that rise and

There's a pretty steep rise in gas prices in Europe these days related to the Ukrainian situation so I believe there must be some relation between that rise and the Kazakh prices

petre 5y ago
Yes but a 2x price increase? It seems that Putin has actually triggered this by using Russia's energy resources as tools for foreign policy and worsened the energy crisis. Russia controls most of the gas pipelines to Europe except maybe for the SCP/TANAP/TAP and the ones from Northern Europe.
- rasz 5y ago
  maybe similar situation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Polish_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Polish_protests Centrally controlled price rise, conspiracy to overthrow government from within.
  - petre 5y ago
    No, i've read more about it. The price hike was part of a government schedule to liberalize gas prices. But they were so dumb or ignorant that they've set the date in 1/1/2022, in the winter, which also happened to occur in the middle of an energy crisis. Kazahstan, being economically dependent on China is having problems with 12% unemplyment and the jobless youth has radicalised. People took to the streets to protest peacefully and requested theat the price hikes ar reversed, the resignation of the government and demanded that the former president, Nazarbayev, leaves and that the 1993 constitution is restored. The acting president Tokayev, used the protests to dismiss Nazarbayev and his allies in the government and the secret service and sieze the whole power for himself. This is when the protests turned violent. The acts of violence were most probably perpetrated by secret service factions loyal to the former president aided by criminal gangs and maybe also radicalised youth is involved. Tokayev ordered a state of emergency but the military and the security forces would not act on his orders, mainly because they take order from the former president whom Tokayev has ilegally dismissed. In a desperate attempt, Tokayev has requested outside help from the CSTO, which is mainly Russia, claiming that outside terrorist forces are trying to overthrow the social order. The key word is outside, because otherwise the CSTO cannot intervene in the internal affairs of another state. When the CSTO stepped in and sent troops, the Kazah military and security forces started to comply with the acting president's orders. Now Tokayev is basically at the mercy of the Kremlin and Putin will quite probably ask for favours in return. There is doubt that anything was planned except for the gas hike. It appears that the actors involved just siezed the opportunity to act in their favour. This is how transfer of power occurs in autocracies, sometimes even when it's carefully planned years in advance. For context, Nazarbayev hand picked Tokayev to be his sucessor but retained important attributes of power, for life, by changing the consitution in 2019.

There's a pretty steep rise in gas prices in Europe these days related to the Ukrainian situation so I believe there must be some relation between that rise and the Kazakh prices

petre 5y ago

Yes but a 2x price increase? It seems that Putin has actually triggered this by using Russia's energy resources as tools for foreign policy and worsened the energy crisis. Russia controls most of the gas pipelines to Europe except maybe for the SCP/TANAP/TAP and the ones from Northern Europe.

rasz 5y ago
maybe similar situation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Polish_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Polish_protests Centrally controlled price rise, conspiracy to overthrow government from within.
- petre 5y ago
  No, i've read more about it. The price hike was part of a government schedule to liberalize gas prices. But they were so dumb or ignorant that they've set the date in 1/1/2022, in the winter, which also happened to occur in the middle of an energy crisis. Kazahstan, being economically dependent on China is having problems with 12% unemplyment and the jobless youth has radicalised. People took to the streets to protest peacefully and requested theat the price hikes ar reversed, the resignation of the government and demanded that the former president, Nazarbayev, leaves and that the 1993 constitution is restored. The acting president Tokayev, used the protests to dismiss Nazarbayev and his allies in the government and the secret service and sieze the whole power for himself. This is when the protests turned violent. The acts of violence were most probably perpetrated by secret service factions loyal to the former president aided by criminal gangs and maybe also radicalised youth is involved. Tokayev ordered a state of emergency but the military and the security forces would not act on his orders, mainly because they take order from the former president whom Tokayev has ilegally dismissed. In a desperate attempt, Tokayev has requested outside help from the CSTO, which is mainly Russia, claiming that outside terrorist forces are trying to overthrow the social order. The key word is outside, because otherwise the CSTO cannot intervene in the internal affairs of another state. When the CSTO stepped in and sent troops, the Kazah military and security forces started to comply with the acting president's orders. Now Tokayev is basically at the mercy of the Kremlin and Putin will quite probably ask for favours in return. There is doubt that anything was planned except for the gas hike. It appears that the actors involved just siezed the opportunity to act in their favour. This is how transfer of power occurs in autocracies, sometimes even when it's carefully planned years in advance. For context, Nazarbayev hand picked Tokayev to be his sucessor but retained important attributes of power, for life, by changing the consitution in 2019.