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> - Amazon has the least amount of holidays of all FAANG, why? probably too focused on frugality to consider retention

by chrsig 5y ago

klodolph 5y ago
They do consider retention, make no mistake.
- oblio 5y ago
  Could you expand on this, please?
  - chrsig 5y ago
    I believe the commenter was implying that their policy takes retention into account, and amazon simply doesn't value retaining employees
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > I believe the commenter was implying that their policy takes retention into account, and amazon simply doesn't value retaining employees I think there's some Bezos quote about people being lazy and it being easier to extract labor from fresh hires trying to prove themselves.
      - MattGaiser 5y ago
        > Bezos believed that workers' desire to perform well decreased over time and that an entrenched workforce was a "march to mediocrity," Niekerk told The Times. https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-polices-based-jeff-bezos-belief-all-workers-are-lazy-2021-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-polices-based-jeff-be...
        oblio 5y ago
        That's a solid degree of irony from someone that worked in the same place for 27 years :-D
    - klodolph 5y ago
      Yes, they are well-known for having attrition targets.
- BoiledCabbage 5y ago
  > They do consider retention, make no mistake. As in they consider retention unimportant, and something to not prioritize? Because it sure seems that way.
- dpark 5y ago
  I’m sure they do. They just also don’t care until it becomes a critical issue. I am contacted by an Amazon recruiter at least once a week. I’m sure every engineer I know is. I wonder how much of their money they blow on recruiting and how much engineering time is spent in interviews replacing all the burned out engineers. Plus all the talent that won’t even entertain a job at Amazon.
  - yelling_cat 5y ago
    Lately I've seen less recruiter pitches from Amazon and more personalized messages from managers there about specific roles on their teams, which is a new wrinkle. I doubt that those people would add hours of recruiting to their weekly workload unless the standard candidate pipeline was really running dry.
    - waoush 5y ago
      I got a message on LinkedIn from a software developer manager there less than a month ago. Was quite shocked and didn't think such a thing was even possible. Also got a staff software engineer from Facebook who added me on there, and had in their title "hiring". lol.
  - anonporridge 5y ago
    Not caring until something becomes a critical issue is very deeply ingrained in Amazon's culture.
MattGaiser 5y ago
Amazon has to be at the point of literally running out of nearby human beings to be concerned about retention. https://www.essence.com/news/amazon-burning-through-workers/ https://www.essence.com/news/amazon-burning-through-workers/
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Amazon has to be at the point of literally running out of nearby human beings to be concerned about retention. It seems like they're more than willing to hire imports. I get more recruiter spam from them than anyone else, and I don't live anywhere near any of their major offices.
  - MattGaiser 5y ago
    This is true as well. I got an email offering me immigration support to move to Vancouver. I already live in Canada, have my entire life, and every job has also been in Canada.
    - Izikiel43 5y ago
      You are assuming recruiters can read
  - bluedino 5y ago
    They have lots of remote jobs now as well.
  - deleted 5y ago
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- cwkoss 5y ago
  I read a stat that 1 out of ~154 Americans currently works for amazon.
  - cipheredStones 5y ago
    American workers, not Americans overall - it's still astonishing, but they have a bit less than a million US employees rather than 330M/154 = 2.1M employees.

> - Amazon has the least amount of holidays of all FAANG, why? probably too focused on frugality to consider retention

by chrsig 5y ago

> - Amazon has the least amount of holidays of all FAANG, why? probably too focused on frugality to consider retention

klodolph 5y ago

They do consider retention, make no mistake.

oblio 5y ago
Could you expand on this, please?
- chrsig 5y ago
  I believe the commenter was implying that their policy takes retention into account, and amazon simply doesn't value retaining employees
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > I believe the commenter was implying that their policy takes retention into account, and amazon simply doesn't value retaining employees I think there's some Bezos quote about people being lazy and it being easier to extract labor from fresh hires trying to prove themselves.
    - MattGaiser 5y ago
      > Bezos believed that workers' desire to perform well decreased over time and that an entrenched workforce was a "march to mediocrity," Niekerk told The Times. https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-polices-based-jeff-bezos-belief-all-workers-are-lazy-2021-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-polices-based-jeff-be...
      - oblio 5y ago
        That's a solid degree of irony from someone that worked in the same place for 27 years :-D
  - klodolph 5y ago
    Yes, they are well-known for having attrition targets.
BoiledCabbage 5y ago
> They do consider retention, make no mistake. As in they consider retention unimportant, and something to not prioritize? Because it sure seems that way.
dpark 5y ago
I’m sure they do. They just also don’t care until it becomes a critical issue. I am contacted by an Amazon recruiter at least once a week. I’m sure every engineer I know is. I wonder how much of their money they blow on recruiting and how much engineering time is spent in interviews replacing all the burned out engineers. Plus all the talent that won’t even entertain a job at Amazon.
- yelling_cat 5y ago
  Lately I've seen less recruiter pitches from Amazon and more personalized messages from managers there about specific roles on their teams, which is a new wrinkle. I doubt that those people would add hours of recruiting to their weekly workload unless the standard candidate pipeline was really running dry.
  - waoush 5y ago
    I got a message on LinkedIn from a software developer manager there less than a month ago. Was quite shocked and didn't think such a thing was even possible. Also got a staff software engineer from Facebook who added me on there, and had in their title "hiring". lol.
- anonporridge 5y ago
  Not caring until something becomes a critical issue is very deeply ingrained in Amazon's culture.

MattGaiser 5y ago

Amazon has to be at the point of literally running out of nearby human beings to be concerned about retention. https://www.essence.com/news/amazon-burning-through-workers/ https://www.essence.com/news/amazon-burning-through-workers/

tablespoon 5y ago
> Amazon has to be at the point of literally running out of nearby human beings to be concerned about retention. It seems like they're more than willing to hire imports. I get more recruiter spam from them than anyone else, and I don't live anywhere near any of their major offices.
- MattGaiser 5y ago
  This is true as well. I got an email offering me immigration support to move to Vancouver. I already live in Canada, have my entire life, and every job has also been in Canada.
  - Izikiel43 5y ago
    You are assuming recruiters can read
- bluedino 5y ago
  They have lots of remote jobs now as well.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
cwkoss 5y ago
I read a stat that 1 out of ~154 Americans currently works for amazon.
- cipheredStones 5y ago
  American workers, not Americans overall - it's still astonishing, but they have a bit less than a million US employees rather than 330M/154 = 2.1M employees.