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I'm not saying that pulling a gun on anybody for this reason is in any way reasonable or proportional. What happened to your sister sounds horrific and her form

I'm not saying that pulling a gun on anybody for this reason is in any way reasonable or proportional. What happened to your sister sounds horrific and her former-employer sounds awful beyond words. But I have to say, I understand why people asked to mask up in some cases flip out. Does it make sense to anybody that society has somehow decided that the way to be safe in restaurants is to put on a mask so a host can walk you 10-15 feet to your table for 10 seconds where you then proceed to take your mask off for over an hour? The mask ritual especially in this case is dehumanizing performative theater that doesn't make a lick of logical sense. Most people wouldn't be so uptight about the Covid rules when they make any sense: but many of them are beyond nonsensical.

cecilpl2 5y ago
Theater or not, the reasonable thing to do in this situation is to understand that the host is not the person making the rules. You do the thing because that's the script, whether you agree with it or not. In fact maybe the host doesn't even agree with it, but they are also just doing their job. Now that said maybe there are valid reasons why it's riskier to have people walking around a restaurant unmasked, like say HVAC might pull air up from the tables, but you walking around past a bunch of tables spreads droplets into their airspace. I don't know, I'm not an expert, but I can think of reasons that seem to make sense.
boring_twenties 5y ago
Sure, it's theater. So the proper response is obviously to flip out on the teenage girl making $7.50 an hour, obviously it's all her fault.
- logicalmonster 5y ago
  Who said anything about flipping out on the teenage girl making minimum wage being the right thing to do? Is that how you interpreted my comment even though I very explicitly denounced what happened? I think actions such as politely voicing displeasure at the policy to the worker so they understand that many people think the policy is dumb, asking to speak to the manager or owner, and leaving so the restaurant doesn't get your business are the right thing to do in this case.
  - boring_twenties 5y ago
    Who said anything about flipping out? Let's see here... why it was you, in the very comment I replied to: > I understand why people asked to mask up in some cases flip out
    - logicalmonster 5y ago
      Understanding why somebody flipped out doesn't excuse or justify it. Read things more closely please.
outworlder 5y ago
> But I have to say, I understand why people asked to mask up in some cases flip out I do not. > Does it make sense to anybody that society has somehow decided that the way to be safe in restaurants is to put on a mask so a host can walk you 10-15 feet to your table for 10 seconds where you then proceed to take your mask off for over an hour Maybe. If the tables are spaced far apart and preferably outside. Packed in an enclosed space? No. However, eating out at a restaurant is not a right. Don't like the rules, go somewhere else. Similarly, businesses can refuse service. We are not toddlers. Not supposed to be, anyway.
- logicalmonster 5y ago
  > I do not. I understand that there's some people who are thriving and happy wearing masks, but that's certainly not everybody. As for many people like me, they are not worth wearing. Masks are psychologically damaging and dehumanizing in many ways. Already imperfect human communication is further harmed with masks. They are unnatural and damaging. And outside of wearing an N95 perfectly in one room for one task, I believe that the way they're used in practice is harmful to health (people are constantly adjusting and touching them, not washing them for ages between uses, etc) > Maybe. If the tables are spaced far apart and preferably outside. Packed in an enclosed space? No. If we can acknowledge that a rule doesn't make sense for health and safety in a certain context, then why follow it? > Don't like the rules, go somewhere else. There are plenty of people who would gladly do this but cannot when the rule is in place by Government edict. > Similarly, businesses can refuse service. I'm all for property owners deciding the rules on their property, but that's not exactly the system that's been built up and that authoritarians advocate for. > We are not toddlers. Not supposed to be, anyway. Toddlers don't have the capacity to fully understand their world and make rational risk-management decisions. Toddlers are the ones who are expected to comply with what they're told. I'd say that people who are using their own judgement are the opposite of toddlers here.
  - freshpots 5y ago
    "Masks are psychologically damaging and dehumanizing in many ways." If a tiny little mask is causing you this much trauma you should seek professional psychological help because that is not a reasonable or healthy response to something so trivial.

cecilpl2 5y ago

Theater or not, the reasonable thing to do in this situation is to understand that the host is not the person making the rules. You do the thing because that's the script, whether you agree with it or not. In fact maybe the host doesn't even agree with it, but they are also just doing their job. Now that said maybe there are valid reasons why it's riskier to have people walking around a restaurant unmasked, like say HVAC might pull air up from the tables, but you walking around past a bunch of tables spreads droplets into their airspace. I don't know, I'm not an expert, but I can think of reasons that seem to make sense.

boring_twenties 5y ago

Sure, it's theater. So the proper response is obviously to flip out on the teenage girl making $7.50 an hour, obviously it's all her fault.

logicalmonster 5y ago
Who said anything about flipping out on the teenage girl making minimum wage being the right thing to do? Is that how you interpreted my comment even though I very explicitly denounced what happened? I think actions such as politely voicing displeasure at the policy to the worker so they understand that many people think the policy is dumb, asking to speak to the manager or owner, and leaving so the restaurant doesn't get your business are the right thing to do in this case.
- boring_twenties 5y ago
  Who said anything about flipping out? Let's see here... why it was you, in the very comment I replied to: > I understand why people asked to mask up in some cases flip out
  - logicalmonster 5y ago
    Understanding why somebody flipped out doesn't excuse or justify it. Read things more closely please.

outworlder 5y ago

> But I have to say, I understand why people asked to mask up in some cases flip out I do not. > Does it make sense to anybody that society has somehow decided that the way to be safe in restaurants is to put on a mask so a host can walk you 10-15 feet to your table for 10 seconds where you then proceed to take your mask off for over an hour Maybe. If the tables are spaced far apart and preferably outside. Packed in an enclosed space? No. However, eating out at a restaurant is not a right. Don't like the rules, go somewhere else. Similarly, businesses can refuse service. We are not toddlers. Not supposed to be, anyway.

logicalmonster 5y ago
> I do not. I understand that there's some people who are thriving and happy wearing masks, but that's certainly not everybody. As for many people like me, they are not worth wearing. Masks are psychologically damaging and dehumanizing in many ways. Already imperfect human communication is further harmed with masks. They are unnatural and damaging. And outside of wearing an N95 perfectly in one room for one task, I believe that the way they're used in practice is harmful to health (people are constantly adjusting and touching them, not washing them for ages between uses, etc) > Maybe. If the tables are spaced far apart and preferably outside. Packed in an enclosed space? No. If we can acknowledge that a rule doesn't make sense for health and safety in a certain context, then why follow it? > Don't like the rules, go somewhere else. There are plenty of people who would gladly do this but cannot when the rule is in place by Government edict. > Similarly, businesses can refuse service. I'm all for property owners deciding the rules on their property, but that's not exactly the system that's been built up and that authoritarians advocate for. > We are not toddlers. Not supposed to be, anyway. Toddlers don't have the capacity to fully understand their world and make rational risk-management decisions. Toddlers are the ones who are expected to comply with what they're told. I'd say that people who are using their own judgement are the opposite of toddlers here.
- freshpots 5y ago
  "Masks are psychologically damaging and dehumanizing in many ways." If a tiny little mask is causing you this much trauma you should seek professional psychological help because that is not a reasonable or healthy response to something so trivial.