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On that logic, if that's the case, then shouldn't a responsible "mainstream" media (CNN, NY Times, WaPo, etc.) be talking about these published papers by Pierre

by ccn0p 5y ago

On that logic, if that's the case, then shouldn't a responsible "mainstream" media (CNN, NY Times, WaPo, etc.) be talking about these published papers by Pierre Kory et al. even if positioned as "minority viewpoints"? Instead what we tend to see is fact checkers springing into action and media continuing to only push a single "majority" narrative further dividing all of us instead of uniting us together to have open dialogue and letting the best ideas win in the public space. It's all so bizarre.

mikeyouse 5y ago
This is such a silly line of argument -- If someone writes a paper that says "the sky is pink" -- you would afford them no airtime at all, even as "minority viewpoints". These doctors are quacks, they get as much mainstream media coverage as quacks deserve.
- edmcnulty101 5y ago
  Listening to Robert Malone and numerous other scientists like Anders Tegnell and Dr. Peter McCoullough and other people with credentials that make your credentials look like those of an HVAC technician, it's strange that the HVAC technician would call them quacks. Just because you have the main stream media on your side doesn't mean your narrative isn't 'the sky is pink'. It could mean the emperor wears no clothes but is too unaware to see it.
  - mikeyouse 5y ago
    It's not the 'narrative' thats on the side of vaccines and actual useful therapeutics -- it's the vast majority of science. You sound exactly like my elderly obese neighbor whose rationale for not getting vaccinated is "all those doctors who aren't getting it have to know something I don't". If 99% of scientists and doctors are on one side, and you need to resort to credentialism instead of actual research to prop up those who are on the other, you're not really standing on solid ground. If ivermectin worked, it would have had signal in any of the dozens of trials we've run. If Malone had anything useful to say, he wouldn't be hanging out with Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson and lying about "inventing MRNA and DNA vaccines" and whether vaccines are cytotoxic. These people are frauds and we'd all be better for saying that plainly.
    - edmcnulty101 5y ago
      Labotomies won the Nobel price. You're trading appeal to authority for appeal to the crowd. Both are logical fallacies. Most smart doctors and scientists are reserving judegment at this point, because all of this is happening in real time, so any data to make a rational decision is incomplete. Smart people would know better. It's hubris to have the confidence that you and the mainstream media do about a novel virus and a novel vaccine using novel vaccine technology. And it's really bad to shut out dissenting opinions from public discourse especially when they're subject matter experts. New Orleans had full confidence in it's levees backed by 99% of the scientists and engineers in the area, then Hurricane Katrina happened. People reported leaks in the levee's years before it happened and were ignored. There are so many questions and conflicting or inconsistent data in the mainstream narrative. The fact that the media doesn't report anything conflicting is a huge red flag for me. Whether Ivermectin works or masks work or quarantine works...it's all irrelevant. If you haven't learned that this is an endemic virus by now and that people need to make their own decisions and not be co-erced by big government to follow a questionable narrative built on incomplete data, ...your HVAC technician and your obese neighbor might be smarter than you.

by ccn0p 5y ago

mikeyouse 5y ago

This is such a silly line of argument -- If someone writes a paper that says "the sky is pink" -- you would afford them no airtime at all, even as "minority viewpoints". These doctors are quacks, they get as much mainstream media coverage as quacks deserve.

edmcnulty101 5y ago
Listening to Robert Malone and numerous other scientists like Anders Tegnell and Dr. Peter McCoullough and other people with credentials that make your credentials look like those of an HVAC technician, it's strange that the HVAC technician would call them quacks. Just because you have the main stream media on your side doesn't mean your narrative isn't 'the sky is pink'. It could mean the emperor wears no clothes but is too unaware to see it.
- mikeyouse 5y ago
  It's not the 'narrative' thats on the side of vaccines and actual useful therapeutics -- it's the vast majority of science. You sound exactly like my elderly obese neighbor whose rationale for not getting vaccinated is "all those doctors who aren't getting it have to know something I don't". If 99% of scientists and doctors are on one side, and you need to resort to credentialism instead of actual research to prop up those who are on the other, you're not really standing on solid ground. If ivermectin worked, it would have had signal in any of the dozens of trials we've run. If Malone had anything useful to say, he wouldn't be hanging out with Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson and lying about "inventing MRNA and DNA vaccines" and whether vaccines are cytotoxic. These people are frauds and we'd all be better for saying that plainly.
  - edmcnulty101 5y ago
    Labotomies won the Nobel price. You're trading appeal to authority for appeal to the crowd. Both are logical fallacies. Most smart doctors and scientists are reserving judegment at this point, because all of this is happening in real time, so any data to make a rational decision is incomplete. Smart people would know better. It's hubris to have the confidence that you and the mainstream media do about a novel virus and a novel vaccine using novel vaccine technology. And it's really bad to shut out dissenting opinions from public discourse especially when they're subject matter experts. New Orleans had full confidence in it's levees backed by 99% of the scientists and engineers in the area, then Hurricane Katrina happened. People reported leaks in the levee's years before it happened and were ignored. There are so many questions and conflicting or inconsistent data in the mainstream narrative. The fact that the media doesn't report anything conflicting is a huge red flag for me. Whether Ivermectin works or masks work or quarantine works...it's all irrelevant. If you haven't learned that this is an endemic virus by now and that people need to make their own decisions and not be co-erced by big government to follow a questionable narrative built on incomplete data, ...your HVAC technician and your obese neighbor might be smarter than you.