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I’m a cyclist and a pedestrian. I have been nearly killed by drivers using their phones several times. I have never had my life endangered by a cyclist rollin
by xadhominemx 5y ago
I’m a cyclist and a pedestrian. I have been nearly killed by drivers using their phones several times. I have never had my life endangered by a cyclist rolling through a stop sign. They are not the same.
- mdorazio 5y agoI've been hit by a cyclist failing to yield in a crosswalk. I've been hit by zero stationary cars. How are they different?
- namelessoracle 5y agoA cyclist slammed into an 8 year old kid at my neighborhood (through a stop sign no less!) and the kid had to go to the hospital. So......
- renewiltord 5y agoRight, and see how you remember that? He had to go to the hospital. In the car situation, the kid is dead.
- vangelis 5y ago
- convolvatron 5y agothis is a really shite position to take. sure, i'm still threatening you with injury because i'm just too important to slow down or even stop for you, but try messing with the other guy!
- renewiltord 5y agoHaha, I suppose I didn't think it would be interpreted that way. Car-ped collisions are frequent and deadly, cycle-ped injuries are rare and less deadly, but the attention devoted on this board is not in proportion. That's strange to me.
- surfingdino 5y ago
- ajdude 5y agoOn the other hand, I've almost been seriously injured by cyclists speeding down the sidewalk. Someone a few years ago actually was killed: https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2016/03/24/student-hit-bike-ud-dies-months-after-crash/82218964/ https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/local/2016/03/24/s...
- Steltek 5y agoBut to continue the comparison, how would it work if it was a car speeding down the sidewalk? And people bike on sidewalks because the roads are unsafe. The roads are unsafe because cars are intrinsically unsafe machines.
- detaro 5y agoWhereas with cars, the last sentence is "someone a few hours/minutes ago actually was killed". Nobody claimed that bicycles never cause bad accidents.
- namelessoracle 5y agoActually no! A kid got hit at the same stop sign with a car. (everybody runs the stop sign in question in our neighborhood, it's fairly deep in the subdivision and no real way for a cop to stalk it without being noticed, and about 90 percent of the subdivision has to go through it to get anywhere) I remember stopping and waiting till his parents came, when i saw a kid crying on the road. He didnt actually have to go to the hospital and went home that night (parents took him to urgent care and he had nothing broken and no concussion). Kid who got hit with the bike had a hospital stay though. I tell my own kids to stay the hell away from that stop sign now.
- renewiltord 5y agoHaha! Well, I'm glad he's well!
- djoldman 5y agoWhere I live it is illegal to not stop at a stop sign while riding a bike. The law protects others as well as the person running the stop sign without stopping. I find it fascinating how often I see cyclists with no helmet on traveling 15+ mph through a stop sign without stopping.
- crispyambulance 5y agoDon't worry about the helmet, it's not your problem. As for "stopping", what you think of it depends on how you perceive laws should be taken. Are laws something that should be enforced "to the letter" each and every time a violation is spotted? Or are they a matter of judgement for enforcement officers? In the vast majority of cases, they're a matter of judgement. This is why there is virtually NO RISK for me as a cyclist to proceed through a red light literally in front of police cars. There are good reasons for cyclists to NOT stop at every intersection. One big reason is, actually, safety. Car-bike accidents almost always happen at intersections. In many cases, it's best for cyclists to get through the intersection before the mass of cars starts moving again. This way they can get through the intersection, position themselves safely, and gain enough speed so as not be an annoyance on the other side of the intersection. Sure, the cyclist has to fully aware of cross-traffic and if they get smacked, it's their fault. But the sense of outrage that some motorists feel when cyclists proceed through an intersection before them is akin to a toddler-tantrum IMHO.
- djoldman 5y agoI'm not worried about helmets or any of this: you're right, it's not my problem. I'm unlikely to injure a bicyclist. I just find it interesting when I see someone choose not to wear a helmet. Reasonable people can disagree as to how dangerous it is to run a stop sign in a bicycle but the data is clear on helmets: it's far safer to wear one than not.
- surfingdino 5y agoI have been hit by cyclists not stopping at a red light or riding bikes dangerously fast on the pavement too many times to have much love for them. Also, the environmental cost of providing shower facilities and water to those who think that riding a bike to work is an extension of Tour de France makes me question the environmental benefits of cycling. (I am not questioning health benefits).
- ABeeSea 5y agoCyclists routinely go full speed downhill and blow through stop signs without caring about pedestrians at all. At least in Seattle.
- xadhominemx 5y agoHow many pedestrians are killed by cyclists and motorists each year in Seattle?
- lp0_on_fire 5y agoDoes it really matter? We're all inconvenienced by stop signs when we have places to go but that doesn't give us the excuse to run them.