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Can happen everywhere. Wait what happens if you cut down food supply to a rich nation like for example the Netherlands. Within a week people will kill each othe

Can happen everywhere. Wait what happens if you cut down food supply to a rich nation like for example the Netherlands. Within a week people will kill each other for food.

thejackgoode 5y ago
It’s completely off topic but the example is hilariously terrible — the Netherlands are second largest world food exporter
- zwkrt 5y ago
  Per capita? I find that really surprising!
  - desdiv 5y ago
    I'm not sure which metric GP is referring to, but by total value of food exports they're 7th in the world. Extremely impressive for a country of only 17 million people. [0] https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/WLD/Year/LTST/TradeFlow/Export/Partner/by-country/Product/16-24_FoodProd https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/WLD/Yea...
    - kaybe 5y ago
      It helps that most things I've seen so far are pretty high value per volume such as more expensive vegetables.
      - adriand 5y ago
        It's probably because the Dutch diaspora has succeeded in getting their children hooked on stroopwafels (syrup waffles), salt licorice and those amazing dense raisin buns that seem to be approximately 50% raisins... I for one am happy to continue supporting their export economy!
      - bserge 5y ago
  - Vinnl 5y ago
    Not per capita, in absolute numbers, a couple of years ago at least [1]. That said, there are different ways to measure; this is by value. You could also imagine e.g. measuring by calories. Presumably, per capita it's number one. [1] This tiny country feeds the world - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/holland-agriculture-sustainable-farming https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/holland-...
  - rasz 5y ago
    When I think Dutch I think 'boring people' followed by 'greenhouses' https://www.archdaily.com/932301/how-the-dutch-use-architecture-to-feed-the-world https://www.archdaily.com/932301/how-the-dutch-use-architect...
- owenversteeg 5y ago
  We are indeed, but worth noting - that's per dollar exported and a lot of that comes from having Europe's largest ports, as well as a lot of processing and auctioning of food. Still, we grow a very large amount of food, especially relative to the size of the country. We're the 9th largest potato producer [0] in the world, despite being a tiny country both population and size wise, because we have the highest yields in the world. Someone downthread linked a NatGeo article explaining more [1] but we have far higher yields, several times higher than any other country, on many crops, such as chilies, green peppers, cucumbers etc. [0] the very helpful FAOSTAT is excellent for things like this: https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QCL https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QCL [1] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/holland-agriculture-sustainable-farming https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/holland-...
TheGigaChad 5y ago
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freeflight 5y ago
Don't even need shortages of anything basic like food, in some places it's just enough to ask people to follow common sense rules, and as a result to that people will take to the streets, people will try to overthrow governments. This does not only apply to the US, with the January 6. "insurrection", it even happened in places like Germany [0] and recently Romania [1]. It's a combination of entitlement, and 2 years of pandemic forcing many people, and their businesses, into dire economic situations. Such dire economic situations can trigger regime change anywhere, completely regardless of "democratic institutions" or all these other nice sounding words. Because most people don't really want that much; As long as they have a job that allows them to put a roof over their, and their families heads, and food on their tables, that long the vast majority of people couldn't care less if the government they live under is considered "democratic" or "authoritarian". These are way too high and abstract concepts for the vast majority of people to care about. They are too busy with every day live, working to pay rent and getting food on the table. But what happens if they don't have the work anymore to pay for rent and get food on the table? Then they will take to the streets, they will demand change, completely regardless of what kind of regime they live under. Even the Roman Empire already knew this; panem et ludos Give people enough bread and circuses, and they couldn't care less about what happens on the higher levels above them or how they are being wronged in rather intangible ways. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53964147 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53964147 [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/21/romanians-protesting-against-covid-passes-try-to-storm-parliament https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/21/romanians-protesti...

Can happen everywhere. Wait what happens if you cut down food supply to a rich nation like for example the Netherlands. Within a week people will kill each other for food.

thejackgoode 5y ago

It’s completely off topic but the example is hilariously terrible — the Netherlands are second largest world food exporter

zwkrt 5y ago
Per capita? I find that really surprising!
- desdiv 5y ago
  I'm not sure which metric GP is referring to, but by total value of food exports they're 7th in the world. Extremely impressive for a country of only 17 million people. [0] https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/WLD/Year/LTST/TradeFlow/Export/Partner/by-country/Product/16-24_FoodProd https://wits.worldbank.org/CountryProfile/en/Country/WLD/Yea...
  - kaybe 5y ago
    It helps that most things I've seen so far are pretty high value per volume such as more expensive vegetables.
    - adriand 5y ago
      It's probably because the Dutch diaspora has succeeded in getting their children hooked on stroopwafels (syrup waffles), salt licorice and those amazing dense raisin buns that seem to be approximately 50% raisins... I for one am happy to continue supporting their export economy!
    - bserge 5y ago
- Vinnl 5y ago
  Not per capita, in absolute numbers, a couple of years ago at least [1]. That said, there are different ways to measure; this is by value. You could also imagine e.g. measuring by calories. Presumably, per capita it's number one. [1] This tiny country feeds the world - https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/holland-agriculture-sustainable-farming https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/holland-...
- rasz 5y ago
  When I think Dutch I think 'boring people' followed by 'greenhouses' https://www.archdaily.com/932301/how-the-dutch-use-architecture-to-feed-the-world https://www.archdaily.com/932301/how-the-dutch-use-architect...
owenversteeg 5y ago
We are indeed, but worth noting - that's per dollar exported and a lot of that comes from having Europe's largest ports, as well as a lot of processing and auctioning of food. Still, we grow a very large amount of food, especially relative to the size of the country. We're the 9th largest potato producer [0] in the world, despite being a tiny country both population and size wise, because we have the highest yields in the world. Someone downthread linked a NatGeo article explaining more [1] but we have far higher yields, several times higher than any other country, on many crops, such as chilies, green peppers, cucumbers etc. [0] the very helpful FAOSTAT is excellent for things like this: https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QCL https://www.fao.org/faostat/en/#data/QCL [1] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/holland-agriculture-sustainable-farming https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/article/holland-...

TheGigaChad 5y ago

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freeflight 5y ago

Don't even need shortages of anything basic like food, in some places it's just enough to ask people to follow common sense rules, and as a result to that people will take to the streets, people will try to overthrow governments. This does not only apply to the US, with the January 6. "insurrection", it even happened in places like Germany [0] and recently Romania [1]. It's a combination of entitlement, and 2 years of pandemic forcing many people, and their businesses, into dire economic situations. Such dire economic situations can trigger regime change anywhere, completely regardless of "democratic institutions" or all these other nice sounding words. Because most people don't really want that much; As long as they have a job that allows them to put a roof over their, and their families heads, and food on their tables, that long the vast majority of people couldn't care less if the government they live under is considered "democratic" or "authoritarian". These are way too high and abstract concepts for the vast majority of people to care about. They are too busy with every day live, working to pay rent and getting food on the table. But what happens if they don't have the work anymore to pay for rent and get food on the table? Then they will take to the streets, they will demand change, completely regardless of what kind of regime they live under. Even the Roman Empire already knew this; panem et ludos Give people enough bread and circuses, and they couldn't care less about what happens on the higher levels above them or how they are being wronged in rather intangible ways. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53964147 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53964147 [1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/21/romanians-protesting-against-covid-passes-try-to-storm-parliament https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/21/romanians-protesti...