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The people of Chicago have an elected body that should be making these choices. Instead a teachers union holds the city hostage. I grew up in a UAW family and

The people of Chicago have an elected body that should be making these choices. Instead a teachers union holds the city hostage. I grew up in a UAW family and I’ve always supported unions but teachers unions need to be treated like other essential services: Public sector employees that are not entitled to strike.

Hermitian909 5y ago
Conversely, I find the notion of outlawing striking for anything other than military or law enforcement officers absolutely abhorrent. Strikes are the only real tool unions have and it's not like teachers are living in the lap of luxury. These people are frightened and don't want to be forced to put their health at risk, I think stopping them from asserting that right would be a gross violation of their rights.
- encoderer 5y ago
  If you work for the public sector your collective bargaining is against.. the “union” of voters who pay you. This is no way to run a society. “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” - George meany
  - Hermitian909 5y ago
    > If you work for the public sector your collective bargaining is against.. the “union” of voters who pay you. I'd first note that politicians and government bureaucracy is a very large layer of indirection between the public and the government employees. Second, how does that justify unsafe working conditions for employees that have not been granted any special powers? I know teachers who are afraid that these policies will kill them or someone they love. This danger is not part of the job description, there was no warning that "if you or your loved ones are immunocompromised you may be asked to put them in harms way for the good of society". > “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” - George meany This doesn't seem to match the empirical evidence. Public sector unions across the world have done it fairly successfully for over a century. In countries that didn't gut private sector unions it's not like public employees have a much sweeter deal than everyone else, just a decent standard of living.
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Hermitian909 5y ago

Conversely, I find the notion of outlawing striking for anything other than military or law enforcement officers absolutely abhorrent. Strikes are the only real tool unions have and it's not like teachers are living in the lap of luxury. These people are frightened and don't want to be forced to put their health at risk, I think stopping them from asserting that right would be a gross violation of their rights.

encoderer 5y ago
If you work for the public sector your collective bargaining is against.. the “union” of voters who pay you. This is no way to run a society. “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” - George meany
- Hermitian909 5y ago
  > If you work for the public sector your collective bargaining is against.. the “union” of voters who pay you. I'd first note that politicians and government bureaucracy is a very large layer of indirection between the public and the government employees. Second, how does that justify unsafe working conditions for employees that have not been granted any special powers? I know teachers who are afraid that these policies will kill them or someone they love. This danger is not part of the job description, there was no warning that "if you or your loved ones are immunocompromised you may be asked to put them in harms way for the good of society". > “It is impossible to bargain collectively with the government.” - George meany This doesn't seem to match the empirical evidence. Public sector unions across the world have done it fairly successfully for over a century. In countries that didn't gut private sector unions it's not like public employees have a much sweeter deal than everyone else, just a decent standard of living.
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