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let's see - language: ES / Typescript are quite established - CSS: also quite established - Frameworks: there is still a lot of innovation here, but also Rea

by yayr 5y ago

let's see - language: ES / Typescript are quite established - CSS: also quite established - Frameworks: there is still a lot of innovation here, but also React / Vue / Angular are quite established. on that latter part I prefer the innovation. Let's just imagine for a while what UI would look like if we only had Swing (Java) or QT (C++)

blub 5y ago
At least for Qt, the answer's quite simple: you'd have KDE and the associated apps. As for the stability of the front-end ecosystem, it doesn't exist. The many articles that were posted on HN over the years complaining about the endless quagmire of front-end frameworks, libraries and technologies explain this better than I could.
jcelerier 5y ago
> Let's just imagine for a while what UI would look like if we only had Swing (Java) or QT (C++) yes, Telegram looks so bad right ?
- yayr 5y ago
  if you like the pricing and licensing, functionally QT may be for you. The web frameworks mentioned on the other hand are free to use for everybody and anything.
  - jcelerier 5y ago
    Qt is LGPL. You know what else requires you to respect the LGPL ? Electron becauses it is built mainly on LGPL components (Blink, FFMPEG to name the biggest ones). If you are ok with the license of Electron you are ok with the license of Qt.
    - yayr 5y ago
      Electron is MIT licensed. Not LGPL. https://github.com/electron/electron/blob/main/LICENSE https://github.com/electron/electron/blob/main/LICENSE So everyone can use it without the need to expose his IP.
      - jcelerier 5y ago
        The MIT license only covers what Electron adds to Blink (the rendering engine, which is under LGPL). It does not replace all the licenses of the various components used as part of Electron for which you still have to comply. See for instance one of the most core Blink data structures: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/blink/+/refs/heads/main/Source/core/html/HTMLElement.h https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/blink/+/refs/head... That is the exact same license than Qt, you do not need to expose your IP when using it (Tesla used LGPL Qt for their car dashboards and you don't see that IP floating around on the internet)
int_19h 5y ago
> Let's just imagine for a while what UI would look like if we only had Swing (Java) or QT (C++) I can easily imagine that, because that's more or less what we had before Electron. And it was much better, because apps (mostly) looked consistent across the OS, rather than each and every one coming up with its own custom UI theme.

by yayr 5y ago

blub 5y ago

At least for Qt, the answer's quite simple: you'd have KDE and the associated apps. As for the stability of the front-end ecosystem, it doesn't exist. The many articles that were posted on HN over the years complaining about the endless quagmire of front-end frameworks, libraries and technologies explain this better than I could.

jcelerier 5y ago

> Let's just imagine for a while what UI would look like if we only had Swing (Java) or QT (C++) yes, Telegram looks so bad right ?

yayr 5y ago
if you like the pricing and licensing, functionally QT may be for you. The web frameworks mentioned on the other hand are free to use for everybody and anything.
- jcelerier 5y ago
  Qt is LGPL. You know what else requires you to respect the LGPL ? Electron becauses it is built mainly on LGPL components (Blink, FFMPEG to name the biggest ones). If you are ok with the license of Electron you are ok with the license of Qt.
  - yayr 5y ago
    Electron is MIT licensed. Not LGPL. https://github.com/electron/electron/blob/main/LICENSE https://github.com/electron/electron/blob/main/LICENSE So everyone can use it without the need to expose his IP.
    - jcelerier 5y ago
      The MIT license only covers what Electron adds to Blink (the rendering engine, which is under LGPL). It does not replace all the licenses of the various components used as part of Electron for which you still have to comply. See for instance one of the most core Blink data structures: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/blink/+/refs/heads/main/Source/core/html/HTMLElement.h https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/blink/+/refs/head... That is the exact same license than Qt, you do not need to expose your IP when using it (Tesla used LGPL Qt for their car dashboards and you don't see that IP floating around on the internet)

int_19h 5y ago

> Let's just imagine for a while what UI would look like if we only had Swing (Java) or QT (C++) I can easily imagine that, because that's more or less what we had before Electron. And it was much better, because apps (mostly) looked consistent across the OS, rather than each and every one coming up with its own custom UI theme.