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>Once you see a modern fab with your own eyes, it will change you in a deep way. I felt a sense of compassion for this incredibly complex and valuable thing tha
by DavidPeiffer 5y ago
>Once you see a modern fab with your own eyes, it will change you in a deep way. I felt a sense of compassion for this incredibly complex and valuable thing that humanity is just barely able to scrape together. Nothing you see in media can prepare you for the real thing.
I interned at Micron as an industrial engineer looking at capacity and equipment purchases. I can very much relate to that. The whole summer was my mind being blown by the orders of magnitude across the board and it's somehow it's an economically viable process.
First, we take this giant silicon crystal taller than humans and cut it into wafers. Then we take these pure materials (like 99.99999% pure) and transfer a tiny big on to the wafers in a successive layering process. Oh no, the deposition process wasn't perfectly even across the whole wafer (because of annoying laws of physics), so we'll throw it into the chemical mechanical planarizarion process to skim off a tiny layer keep the internal mechanical stressed down. Add in other mechanical, etching, lithography, and measurement processes and it gets crazy.
Wafers go through hundreds of manufacturing steps depending entirely on purpose, and with each step there's a possibility of messing up part or all of the wafer.
99% yield on a per-machine basis is sub-par in most manufacturing environments, but achieving that would be devastating in semiconductors. For sake of demonstration:
0.99^100{manufacturing steps} = 36.6% total process yield.
0.995^200 = 36.6% total process yield.
0.9975^400 = 36.7% total process yield.
Each additional 9 on yield is really expensive to add.
In school we talked about 1/1000th of an inch being kinda tight to hold on a CNC mill, with 1/10,000th needing a lot more specialized processing and time. Suddenly I was hearing about nanometer thick layers with tolerances measured in angstroms.
And the capital expenditure was nuts! 6-figures hardly gets you anything in a fab, it's really in the 7-8 figure range where you see most of your equipment landing. That will be old but still viable equipment in a few years.
Somehow depreciating all that equipment designed to make chips sold at pennies to dollars each is profitable.
As far as I'm concerned, it's black magic and truly an incredible achievement for humanity.
- MR4D 5y ago> Each additional 9 on yield is really expensive to add. That’s a really good point. It’s crazy to think that as we get smaller processes that not adding additional 9’s gets you relegated out of the leading edge, and possibly out of relevancy. Black magic indeed!
- webmaven 5y ago> As far as I'm concerned, it's black magic and truly an incredible achievement for humanity. Fabs seem to be the far edge of tools-to-make-the-tools dependency stack, with some of the necessary sorcerous gadgets (like EUV lithography) themselves only having a single supplier with the necessary secret incantations on the other side of the planet. Does the knowledge even exist to bootstrap things back up again should the present infrastructure and supply chains be sufficiently disrupted? I've long admired David J. Gingery's 'Build Your Own Metal Working Shop from Scrap' and wondered whether anything like it is even possible for integrated circuits.
- DavidPeiffer 5y ago>Does the knowledge even exist to bootstrap things back up again should the present infrastructure and supply chains be sufficiently disrupted? Man, I'd love to know. Hypothetical scenarios are: 1) Everything is available at your fingertips supply chain wise, but you have no equipment. How long until we're at our current technical capability? 2) No equipment and the supply chain need to be rebuilt, but the designs are still present. 3) We have sticks and stones and whatever is in our brains. Start fresh like a game of Factorio and see how well you can do on a speed run.
- webmaven 5y ago> 3) We have sticks and stones and whatever is in our brains. Start fresh like a game of Factorio and see how well you can do on a speed run. I don't recall exactly where (some large ouvre like The Culture, or The Polity), but some SF novel referred in passing to this becoming an extreme sport: Your team is dropped with no supplies on an uninhabited planet, and you try to bootstrap back to an interstellar capability. IIRC, the aside mentioned that the current record was ~70 years, by a team genetically engineered for ultra-efficient digestion and no need for sleep.