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People around here seem to really struggle with the miracle that is getting into soft dev from nothing and then actually being employable in the capitalist sens

People around here seem to really struggle with the miracle that is getting into soft dev from nothing and then actually being employable in the capitalist sense after 6 or so month. Of course it's a trade off! We enabled this miracle by training people that have a very focused, narrow understanding of not even a field but a particular tech. Electron is basically the perfect fit for this type of education. It enables someone to build something where previously they could build nothing. It makes getting from 0 to 1 that much easier. From a business standpoint, it's simply smart to be wasteful with resources that are abundant (average computing power on personal devices), when it helps you save on resources that are not (dev time). But of course, there is much not to like about the side effects.

FpUser 5y ago
>"It enables someone to build something where previously they could build nothing. It makes getting from 0 to 1 that much easier." Making GUI apps using Electron tech for front end is no less time consuming than doing GUI in Lazarus for example. But the end result is way more frugal in the latter case.
- l30n4da5 5y ago
  > Making GUI apps using Electron tech for front end is no less time consuming than doing GUI in Lazarus for example It is a lot faster if you already know web tech stack, and you would have to learn Lazarus/pascal
  - Spivak 5y ago
    And since you have to know the web stack to exist at all on browsers that box is checked for basically everyone. Break the dominance on the DOM and JS in browsers and you open the door to better cross-platform toolkits.
  - FpUser 5y ago
    The original statement assumes that someone does not know nothing and has to start from scratch. In any way I am all in for the type of developers that know how to screw size 8 bolt into size 8 nut and the rest be damned. It keeps some healthy niche and remuneration for little more versatile types.
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goodpoint 5y ago
> employable in the capitalist sense after 6 or so month Bad developers, bloated software and technical debt go hand in hand and eventually bite back. The world needs more good developers, not just more developers.

FpUser 5y ago

>"It enables someone to build something where previously they could build nothing. It makes getting from 0 to 1 that much easier." Making GUI apps using Electron tech for front end is no less time consuming than doing GUI in Lazarus for example. But the end result is way more frugal in the latter case.

l30n4da5 5y ago
> Making GUI apps using Electron tech for front end is no less time consuming than doing GUI in Lazarus for example It is a lot faster if you already know web tech stack, and you would have to learn Lazarus/pascal
- Spivak 5y ago
  And since you have to know the web stack to exist at all on browsers that box is checked for basically everyone. Break the dominance on the DOM and JS in browsers and you open the door to better cross-platform toolkits.
- FpUser 5y ago
  The original statement assumes that someone does not know nothing and has to start from scratch. In any way I am all in for the type of developers that know how to screw size 8 bolt into size 8 nut and the rest be damned. It keeps some healthy niche and remuneration for little more versatile types.
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goodpoint 5y ago

> employable in the capitalist sense after 6 or so month Bad developers, bloated software and technical debt go hand in hand and eventually bite back. The world needs more good developers, not just more developers.