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iMessage: WhatsApp, Signal, SMS etc. No One uses iMessage outside of the US, alternatives are very good and available on all platforms. You don't lose access to

by mrtksn 5y ago

iMessage: WhatsApp, Signal, SMS etc. No One uses iMessage outside of the US, alternatives are very good and available on all platforms. You don't lose access to your social circle by switching away from iMessage. Apple Watch: Just another device that has numerous alternatives. Many excel in some way, not crappy alternatives. iCould: There are numerous alternatives, free and paid and work very well. So, if you like to get rid of Apple, you simply tell the people you care that they can reach you from WhatsApp or your favourite alternative. Buy the new device, follow the transfer data and setting instructions, erase your iPhone&watch, give them away or sell them and you are done.

fsflover 5y ago
Same things can be said about your email address at Google. I moved to an alternative within a year, manually, by changing all services one after another. It was hard but worth it.
- zepto 5y ago
  True - I did the same thing. But the you claim that people can’s move away from Apple is false. Why do you keep advancing it?
  - fsflover 5y ago
    Nothing is impossible. However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape. Try to use their watches without an iPhone.
    - zepto 5y ago
      > However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape. An obviously false statement. > Try to use their watches without an iPhone. Their watches are an iPhone accessory advertised as requiring an iPhone in order to work. Anyone who buys one thinking otherwise has been misinformed by someone other than Apple, and can return it to the store for a full refund. Then they can buy one of many Android wear or other smartwatches instead.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        >> However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape. >An obviously false statement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.#Accusations_of_anti-competitive_behavior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.#Accusa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform#Aspects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform#Aspects > Their watches are an iPhone accessory advertised as requiring an iPhone in order to work. Not in their video ads. Also, at https://www.apple.com/watch/ https://www.apple.com/watch/ it's buried at the end of the tiny font.
        zepto 5y ago
        Just because something is on Wikipedia doesn’t mean ‘everyone agrees with it. You can’t seriously believe this. Are you really trying to claim people are buying Apple watches they can’t use because they don’t have an iPhone? That doesn’t seem grounded in reality.
        fsflover 5y ago
        Wikipedia is not a source. It's a list of reliable sources. Feel free to read the carefully provided links.
        zepto 5y ago
        Not one of those sources represents something ‘everyone agrees’ with. You know this.
        fsflover 5y ago
        From my second link: "Apple iOS and other mobile devices, which are restricted to running pre-approved applications from a digital distribution service." If you find The Guardian and Time references unsatisfactory, consider this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587191. I really don't understand why you are so much defending Apple.

by mrtksn 5y ago

fsflover 5y ago

Same things can be said about your email address at Google. I moved to an alternative within a year, manually, by changing all services one after another. It was hard but worth it.

zepto 5y ago
True - I did the same thing. But the you claim that people can’s move away from Apple is false. Why do you keep advancing it?
- fsflover 5y ago
  Nothing is impossible. However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape. Try to use their watches without an iPhone.
  - zepto 5y ago
    > However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape. An obviously false statement. > Try to use their watches without an iPhone. Their watches are an iPhone accessory advertised as requiring an iPhone in order to work. Anyone who buys one thinking otherwise has been misinformed by someone other than Apple, and can return it to the store for a full refund. Then they can buy one of many Android wear or other smartwatches instead.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      >> However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape. >An obviously false statement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.#Accusations_of_anti-competitive_behavior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Apple_Inc.#Accusa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform#Aspects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_platform#Aspects > Their watches are an iPhone accessory advertised as requiring an iPhone in order to work. Not in their video ads. Also, at https://www.apple.com/watch/ https://www.apple.com/watch/ it's buried at the end of the tiny font.
      - zepto 5y ago
        Just because something is on Wikipedia doesn’t mean ‘everyone agrees with it. You can’t seriously believe this. Are you really trying to claim people are buying Apple watches they can’t use because they don’t have an iPhone? That doesn’t seem grounded in reality.
        fsflover 5y ago
        Wikipedia is not a source. It's a list of reliable sources. Feel free to read the carefully provided links.
        zepto 5y ago
        Not one of those sources represents something ‘everyone agrees’ with. You know this.
        fsflover 5y ago
        From my second link: "Apple iOS and other mobile devices, which are restricted to running pre-approved applications from a digital distribution service." If you find The Guardian and Time references unsatisfactory, consider this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21587191. I really don't understand why you are so much defending Apple.