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At https://www.waiterio.com https://www.waiterio.com we use plain webviews for Android, iOS and macOS without any framework and Electron for Windows and Linux.

At https://www.waiterio.com https://www.waiterio.com we use plain webviews for Android, iOS and macOS without any framework and Electron for Windows and Linux. The problem with frameworks is that once a year Apple make a change to their signature and it can break the framework for several weeks/months before a fix/hack around is found. By using native webviews you can quickly implement the change needed and get back online in days.

WolfOliver 5y ago
would this work for Windows and Linux too?
- giorgioz 5y ago
  Vanilla webviews is definitely possible on Windows with Webview2 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/ The problem though was compatibility since that webview might be based on old versions of Edge which used to be a much more outdated browser than Safari/Chrome. So far in 5 years of using Electron Windows never broke Electron except on a minor instance. Our Windows Electron app doesn't work on Windows 10 S. The problem might have became fixable by now but Windows S had so little marketshare that we never found time to fix that issue.
- WolfOliver 5y ago
  I mean MacOS, not Windows
  - giorgioz 5y ago
    yes we already had a macOS published on the App Store for 2 years written as a thin Swift app with WKWebView: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/waiterio-restaurant-pos-system/id1191198720 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/waiterio-restaurant-pos-system... https://developer.apple.com/documentation/webkit/wkwebview https://developer.apple.com/documentation/webkit/wkwebview The app store reviewers will allow apps with only webview only if you are offering some feature that would not be possible to implement in the browser alone.
dangoor 5y ago
Projects like Tauri use libraries like Wry[1], though. Getting Wry fixed to use the new API shouldn't be any more difficult than the work you need to do, right? And that work is then shared by everyone using the project. [1]: https://github.com/tauri-apps/wry https://github.com/tauri-apps/wry Edit to correct that Tauri uses Wry and not Webview.
- spiffytech 5y ago
  Wry is for desktop, but the grandparent is also targeting mobile.
TheHippo 5y ago
I don't know how the website was translated, but the German translations are terrible.

WolfOliver 5y ago

would this work for Windows and Linux too?

giorgioz 5y ago
Vanilla webviews is definitely possible on Windows with Webview2 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/ The problem though was compatibility since that webview might be based on old versions of Edge which used to be a much more outdated browser than Safari/Chrome. So far in 5 years of using Electron Windows never broke Electron except on a minor instance. Our Windows Electron app doesn't work on Windows 10 S. The problem might have became fixable by now but Windows S had so little marketshare that we never found time to fix that issue.
WolfOliver 5y ago
I mean MacOS, not Windows
- giorgioz 5y ago
  yes we already had a macOS published on the App Store for 2 years written as a thin Swift app with WKWebView: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/waiterio-restaurant-pos-system/id1191198720 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/waiterio-restaurant-pos-system... https://developer.apple.com/documentation/webkit/wkwebview https://developer.apple.com/documentation/webkit/wkwebview The app store reviewers will allow apps with only webview only if you are offering some feature that would not be possible to implement in the browser alone.

dangoor 5y ago

Projects like Tauri use libraries like Wry[1], though. Getting Wry fixed to use the new API shouldn't be any more difficult than the work you need to do, right? And that work is then shared by everyone using the project. [1]: https://github.com/tauri-apps/wry https://github.com/tauri-apps/wry Edit to correct that Tauri uses Wry and not Webview.

spiffytech 5y ago
Wry is for desktop, but the grandparent is also targeting mobile.

TheHippo 5y ago

I don't know how the website was translated, but the German translations are terrible.