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> SvelteKit is still in beta, and hasn't reached its big 1.0 milestone yet. It is the successor to Sapper, which isn't extremely popular itself with ~25k monthl

by Zababa 5y ago

> SvelteKit is still in beta, and hasn't reached its big 1.0 milestone yet. It is the successor to Sapper, which isn't extremely popular itself with ~25k monthly downloads on StackOverflow and never hit 1.0 itself. I've used Svelte a lot for personal projects, but this quote right here is why I'm still waiting to use it in more professional contexts. I like that they are not rushing an incomplete 1.0, but I'm not sure about using beta software in production.

wccrawford 5y ago
>I'm not sure about using beta software in production. It used to be unthinkable that you'd use beta software in production. I think that change says a lot about the state of things, and why people are always complaining about framework churn in the industry.
- Zababa 5y ago
  > I think that change says a lot about the state of things I don't think it does. It could mean that people ship broken things all the time, or that beta software is way more stable than it used to be, or that deploying things is cheap, or that people really need new features > why people are always complaining about framework churn in the industry. Because they are parroting opinions based on a reality that doesn't exist anymore. For frontend frameworks, the state hasn't changed in the last 5 years at least. React is dominant, Angular is used by legacy/more conservative people. That's already most of the market. Add Vue in the mix (usually for smaller shops) and you're basically done. Svelte is still very small, SvelteKit even more. The situation is the same with backend. Java? Spring. Python? Django, Flask. Ruby? Rails. PHP? Laravel, Symfony. JS? Express. People are complaining about churn because they're exposed to the bleeding edge of what's made. A lot of it will not stick and be forgotten. We're on a website called "Hacker News". The "News" means that it will be biased for new and shiny things. You want to do compile-time DI in Java and deploy it on k8s? That's bleeding edge, there are choices to make, and they're not obvious. In a few years the choice will probably be as obvious as Spring is today as these things become more and more popular. But not for now. Right now you're trying to predict the future, which is very hard. Especially since at the same time you're running a business, writing code, solving problems.

by Zababa 5y ago

wccrawford 5y ago

>I'm not sure about using beta software in production. It used to be unthinkable that you'd use beta software in production. I think that change says a lot about the state of things, and why people are always complaining about framework churn in the industry.

Zababa 5y ago
> I think that change says a lot about the state of things I don't think it does. It could mean that people ship broken things all the time, or that beta software is way more stable than it used to be, or that deploying things is cheap, or that people really need new features > why people are always complaining about framework churn in the industry. Because they are parroting opinions based on a reality that doesn't exist anymore. For frontend frameworks, the state hasn't changed in the last 5 years at least. React is dominant, Angular is used by legacy/more conservative people. That's already most of the market. Add Vue in the mix (usually for smaller shops) and you're basically done. Svelte is still very small, SvelteKit even more. The situation is the same with backend. Java? Spring. Python? Django, Flask. Ruby? Rails. PHP? Laravel, Symfony. JS? Express. People are complaining about churn because they're exposed to the bleeding edge of what's made. A lot of it will not stick and be forgotten. We're on a website called "Hacker News". The "News" means that it will be biased for new and shiny things. You want to do compile-time DI in Java and deploy it on k8s? That's bleeding edge, there are choices to make, and they're not obvious. In a few years the choice will probably be as obvious as Spring is today as these things become more and more popular. But not for now. Right now you're trying to predict the future, which is very hard. Especially since at the same time you're running a business, writing code, solving problems.