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This is such an interesting laptop. Hopefully an AMD based version with a more premium screen will be released.

qbasic_forever 5y ago
Yeah the AMD APU laptops are absolutely amazing. Be ready though, their Linux support is quite possibly the worst I have ever experienced in almost 30 years of using Linux. I'm typing this right now on a first gen Ryzen APU laptop (Raven Ridge) and it took more than three years for enough kernel bugs to be fixed that plain old Ubuntu LTS wouldn't constantly crash or hard lockup randomly. There were straight up silicon bugs and major sleep state issues that had to be sorted out and worked around with this early generation of chips. It's finally a great machine but it really soured me on the quality of AMD GPU code in the kernel--apparently it is a huge black box even to folks like Linus and can be quite the bug farm.
- dagw 5y ago
  Be ready though, their Linux support is quite possibly the worst I have ever experienced in almost 30 years of using Linux. So it's not just me :) I bought a Ryzen APU since everybody kept telling me that AMD GPUs where the best when it came to Linux support, and it has been a massive pain. It finally runs almost stable using the latest Pop_OS, but it has been a not fun journey to get here.
- holografix 5y ago
  Oh the “joys” of Linux. Precisely why I use a Mac. However everyone and then I get tempted.
- devKnight 5y ago
  i've been running a ryzen 5 2500u laptop for the last 2 or so years. no issues at all getting things running with the various distros i've used
je_bailey 5y ago
So the problem with AMD and Framework is that the Framework uses Thunderbolt4 as the basis for it's expansion ports. Something that AMD doesn't natively come with.Not to say that it couldn't happen but I'm guessing 12th gen intel before AMD
- yread 5y ago
  the zen3+ 6000 CPUs also won't have thunderbolt support:(
  - VTimofeenko 5y ago
    Looks like they will have USB4 though, maybe just no Thunderbolt 4 certification yet? As far as I understand, frame.work is capable of TB3, but just not certified (yet?)
- VTimofeenko 5y ago
  To add - AMD will have to support it on their mobile processors, so it will be a while. As far as I understand, AMD's current desktop CPUs do not support it, and the support will probably have to start on the desktop.
- heftig 5y ago
  Are you sure? The adapters are all covered by USB-C and its DP alt mode. Even the storage expansion cards are attached via USB and not PCIe. No Thunderbolt required.

Yeah the AMD APU laptops are absolutely amazing. Be ready though, their Linux support is quite possibly the worst I have ever experienced in almost 30 years of using Linux. I'm typing this right now on a first gen Ryzen APU laptop (Raven Ridge) and it took more than three years for enough kernel bugs to be fixed that plain old Ubuntu LTS wouldn't constantly crash or hard lockup randomly. There were straight up silicon bugs and major sleep state issues that had to be sorted out and worked around with this early generation of chips. It's finally a great machine but it really soured me on the quality of AMD GPU code in the kernel--apparently it is a huge black box even to folks like Linus and can be quite the bug farm.

dagw 5y ago
Be ready though, their Linux support is quite possibly the worst I have ever experienced in almost 30 years of using Linux. So it's not just me :) I bought a Ryzen APU since everybody kept telling me that AMD GPUs where the best when it came to Linux support, and it has been a massive pain. It finally runs almost stable using the latest Pop_OS, but it has been a not fun journey to get here.
holografix 5y ago
Oh the “joys” of Linux. Precisely why I use a Mac. However everyone and then I get tempted.
devKnight 5y ago
i've been running a ryzen 5 2500u laptop for the last 2 or so years. no issues at all getting things running with the various distros i've used

je_bailey 5y ago

So the problem with AMD and Framework is that the Framework uses Thunderbolt4 as the basis for it's expansion ports. Something that AMD doesn't natively come with.Not to say that it couldn't happen but I'm guessing 12th gen intel before AMD

yread 5y ago
the zen3+ 6000 CPUs also won't have thunderbolt support:(
- VTimofeenko 5y ago
  Looks like they will have USB4 though, maybe just no Thunderbolt 4 certification yet? As far as I understand, frame.work is capable of TB3, but just not certified (yet?)
VTimofeenko 5y ago
To add - AMD will have to support it on their mobile processors, so it will be a while. As far as I understand, AMD's current desktop CPUs do not support it, and the support will probably have to start on the desktop.
heftig 5y ago
Are you sure? The adapters are all covered by USB-C and its DP alt mode. Even the storage expansion cards are attached via USB and not PCIe. No Thunderbolt required.