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So do you feel that anything other than 100% market share counts as a monopoly? Where would you draw the line?

mrtksn 5y ago
> So do you feel that anything other than 100% market share counts as a monopoly? No I did not say that. I say, there's a healthy competition and there's no monopoly as people have viable alternatives and in many other countries people choose these alternatives and people where Apple is dominant do have the same alternatives to choose from. There's no such thing as "right of minimum market share" that Apple violates by selling too many devices. People do have the options and if they still buy Apple that's not monopoly, that's success.
- fsflover 5y ago
  But do you honestly believe that a duopoly in which the two companies tightly collaborate provides a reasonable choice to the consumers?
  - mrtksn 5y ago
    No, I'm very annoyed by Google as their product quality keeps declining year after year and I do not have a real choice. In fact, I have no practical ability to change my e-mail address as I'm using it since 1st of April 2004 and Google does not offer me to keep the address if I want to switch to another provider. My arguments are in defence of Apple, not Google. I can move away from Apple at any time but I can't do the same with Google.
    - fsflover 5y ago
      > I can move away from Apple at any time For you it might be true but not for many Apple users who are deep into the Apple ecosystem.
      - mrtksn 5y ago
        How so? What Apple services are impossible or impractical to switch away from? Inconvenient? Could be. Note a drop-in replacement? Sure, that's why there are different companies.
        fsflover 5y ago
        iMessage, Apple Watch... iCloud?
        mrtksn 5y ago
        iMessage: WhatsApp, Signal, SMS etc. No One uses iMessage outside of the US, alternatives are very good and available on all platforms. You don't lose access to your social circle by switching away from iMessage. Apple Watch: Just another device that has numerous alternatives. Many excel in some way, not crappy alternatives. iCould: There are numerous alternatives, free and paid and work very well. So, if you like to get rid of Apple, you simply tell the people you care that they can reach you from WhatsApp or your favourite alternative. Buy the new device, follow the transfer data and setting instructions, erase your iPhone&watch, give them away or sell them and you are done.
        fsflover 5y ago
        Same things can be said about your email address at Google. I moved to an alternative within a year, manually, by changing all services one after another. It was hard but worth it.
        zepto 5y ago
        True - I did the same thing. But the you claim that people can’s move away from Apple is false. Why do you keep advancing it?
        fsflover 5y ago
        Nothing is impossible. However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape. Try to use their watches without an iPhone.

> So do you feel that anything other than 100% market share counts as a monopoly? No I did not say that. I say, there's a healthy competition and there's no monopoly as people have viable alternatives and in many other countries people choose these alternatives and people where Apple is dominant do have the same alternatives to choose from. There's no such thing as "right of minimum market share" that Apple violates by selling too many devices. People do have the options and if they still buy Apple that's not monopoly, that's success.

fsflover 5y ago
But do you honestly believe that a duopoly in which the two companies tightly collaborate provides a reasonable choice to the consumers?
- mrtksn 5y ago
  No, I'm very annoyed by Google as their product quality keeps declining year after year and I do not have a real choice. In fact, I have no practical ability to change my e-mail address as I'm using it since 1st of April 2004 and Google does not offer me to keep the address if I want to switch to another provider. My arguments are in defence of Apple, not Google. I can move away from Apple at any time but I can't do the same with Google.
  - fsflover 5y ago
    > I can move away from Apple at any time For you it might be true but not for many Apple users who are deep into the Apple ecosystem.
    - mrtksn 5y ago
      How so? What Apple services are impossible or impractical to switch away from? Inconvenient? Could be. Note a drop-in replacement? Sure, that's why there are different companies.
      - fsflover 5y ago
        iMessage, Apple Watch... iCloud?
        mrtksn 5y ago
        iMessage: WhatsApp, Signal, SMS etc. No One uses iMessage outside of the US, alternatives are very good and available on all platforms. You don't lose access to your social circle by switching away from iMessage. Apple Watch: Just another device that has numerous alternatives. Many excel in some way, not crappy alternatives. iCould: There are numerous alternatives, free and paid and work very well. So, if you like to get rid of Apple, you simply tell the people you care that they can reach you from WhatsApp or your favourite alternative. Buy the new device, follow the transfer data and setting instructions, erase your iPhone&watch, give them away or sell them and you are done.
        fsflover 5y ago
        Same things can be said about your email address at Google. I moved to an alternative within a year, manually, by changing all services one after another. It was hard but worth it.
        zepto 5y ago
        True - I did the same thing. But the you claim that people can’s move away from Apple is false. Why do you keep advancing it?
        fsflover 5y ago
        Nothing is impossible. However everyone agrees that Apple created a walled garden which is hard to escape. Try to use their watches without an iPhone.