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This feels like Intel blowing smoke. Comparing an HK processor to the M1 Pro/Max feels disingenuous. AnandTech compared the 11th generation HK to the M1 Max an
by mdasen 5y ago
This feels like Intel blowing smoke. Comparing an HK processor to the M1 Pro/Max feels disingenuous.
AnandTech compared the 11th generation HK to the M1 Max and found the M1 Max to use a lot less power (https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/3 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc...). The HK used 2.7x, 2.1x, 2.3x, 2.0x, 3.2x, 1.9x, 1.3x, 1.3x, and then the gaming ones with discrete GPU where the combo used 3.2x and 2.4x. The MSI laptop with that HK chip in it is a 6.4 pound laptop with a 280W charger.
What's so great about my M1 Pro MacBook is that I never hear fan noise. It doesn't get warm. I don't have to worry about running my battery down with IntelliJ. I don't have to worry about covering the vents with a blanket. I just get to use it.
Intel is also announcing new 28W P-series processors and 9-15W U-series processors. The M1 (non-Pro/Max) fits into a fan-less MacBook Air. While my MacBook Pro has a fan, it basically never comes on (which definitely wasn't the case with my 10th generation Intel MacBook Pro). Comparing a 45W HK part to an M1 Pro/Max that seems to be well below 28W just doesn't seem like a real comparison.
We'll see when AnandTech and others get their hands on it, but if it's achieving marginal performance gains while using double the power, that's not impressive.
It kinda leaves me with the question: Are the HK processors a desperate attempt for Intel to get positive PR? When Apple showed off the M1 Max, it was showing off a chip that would fit in a gorgeous, convenient laptop. All of a sudden, you could have all that power without compromise. The HK processors feel like Intel saying, "see, you can have that power with us too," except that it doesn't come without the compromises. It comes with a 280W power adapter, a large and heavy form factor, heat, and low battery life. Or maybe Intel has pulled it off...but it seems like a desperate attempt to say "we're #1...if you don't look closely."
Plus, one of the big advantages of the M1 is the unified memory. When Affinity Photo was benchmarking the M1 Max, it really showed the importance of the unified memory: https://twitter.com/andysomerfield/status/1452623920721448963 https://twitter.com/andysomerfield/status/145262392072144896....
Maybe Intel has pulled off something amazing. It seems more likely that they've produced a low-volume 45W part that will let them claim a benchmark crown while their 28W, 15W, and 9W parts are still behind. The fact that they're trumpeting a 45W part immediately makes me think that they're making a bad faith comparison.
I hope Intel does well because competition is good for me as a consumer. This comparison doesn't make me think Intel has caught Apple.
- throwawaylinux 5y agoWell Intel is also claiming lower energy usage at equivalent performance (see other posts in this thread). I take that with a grain of salt, but that's the claim. If true then you could power-limit it and use less energy to do the same work as the M1 (although it's not clear even from Intel's marketing that theirs scales down quite so well as M1 so as a general purpose low power / low heat / long battery life laptop that you don't run flat out all the time it's possible it would still be better overall even if Intel's claims hold up).