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> The pendulum will swing right again > Everyone but the most wealthy will live like dogs These two points confict. Maybe the left should stop trying to raise

> The pendulum will swing right again > Everyone but the most wealthy will live like dogs These two points confict. Maybe the left should stop trying to raise the SALT tax deductions that the right reduced? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/22/democrats-are-pushing-tax-breaks-for-the-rich-theyll-cry-when-voters-punish-them https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/22/democr... And I say this as someone that would benefit from raising the SALT taxes. It is wrong for them to try to raise it

honkycat 5y ago
You think democrats are the left?
- partiallypro 5y ago
  I love this talking point, because in comparision to basically every country, US Democrats are socially very far left. It's only fiscally where they are more moderate. Which is basically the opposite of what most Americans want, yet they seem confused on why they struggle.
  - honkycat 5y ago
    And what is more important? Saying "nice" things, or actually passing legislation that affects the main lever of power in our country? "They say things very far left( arguable ), but the way they govern is extremely moderate."
  - DarylZero 5y ago
    Far left on posturing, far right on policy.
  - DarylZero 5y ago
    > they seem confused on why they struggle The politicians? They aren't confused. They understand the system. In order to have political success they explicitly seek the backing of the wealthy elite. It constrains the politics to never be leftist, and politicians to dodge policy and posture on culture wars.
  - tzmudzin 5y ago
    > in comparision to basically every country, US Democrats are socially very far left I'd really want to see the data on which you base this belief. Watching US politics from Europe I see the Democrats roughly matching the European center. European "left" has no voice in the US!
  - teh64 5y ago
    How are US Democrats socially far left? There are multiple countries with parties that are literally communists. There are sizable number of US Democrats (especially in the government) who support the death penalty, torture, nukes, a large military, interventionism and mass surveillance (look at the votes concerning the US Patriot act and the reauthorizations). How is any of this "very far left"? They may talk sometimes about socially left issues (homeless, healthcare, etc...), but in terms of actually fixing anything, very little is done, especially that would be considered "left" in any country. Like instead of getting universal healthcare, they just voted to "reform" healthcare companies.

honkycat 5y ago

You think democrats are the left?

partiallypro 5y ago
I love this talking point, because in comparision to basically every country, US Democrats are socially very far left. It's only fiscally where they are more moderate. Which is basically the opposite of what most Americans want, yet they seem confused on why they struggle.
- honkycat 5y ago
  And what is more important? Saying "nice" things, or actually passing legislation that affects the main lever of power in our country? "They say things very far left( arguable ), but the way they govern is extremely moderate."
- DarylZero 5y ago
  Far left on posturing, far right on policy.
- DarylZero 5y ago
  > they seem confused on why they struggle The politicians? They aren't confused. They understand the system. In order to have political success they explicitly seek the backing of the wealthy elite. It constrains the politics to never be leftist, and politicians to dodge policy and posture on culture wars.
- tzmudzin 5y ago
  > in comparision to basically every country, US Democrats are socially very far left I'd really want to see the data on which you base this belief. Watching US politics from Europe I see the Democrats roughly matching the European center. European "left" has no voice in the US!
- teh64 5y ago
  How are US Democrats socially far left? There are multiple countries with parties that are literally communists. There are sizable number of US Democrats (especially in the government) who support the death penalty, torture, nukes, a large military, interventionism and mass surveillance (look at the votes concerning the US Patriot act and the reauthorizations). How is any of this "very far left"? They may talk sometimes about socially left issues (homeless, healthcare, etc...), but in terms of actually fixing anything, very little is done, especially that would be considered "left" in any country. Like instead of getting universal healthcare, they just voted to "reform" healthcare companies.