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That is a highly political, opinionated, and pessimistic take. You can just as easily say that the "pendulum swing" hard left has been causing our current issue

That is a highly political, opinionated, and pessimistic take. You can just as easily say that the "pendulum swing" hard left has been causing our current issues, and that at least a balancing out could be a natural and needed correction.

diputsmonro 5y ago
Could you explain that then, because honestly I can't fathom how a "hard left" pendulum swing has created our current issues. The US has arguably been swinging to the right for decades, and certainly is pretty right-wing compared to most other western democratic nations.
- rjbwork 5y ago
  You probably won't get a good answer. The conception of political "wings" and the current FPTP party duopoly along those wings is hilariously narrow in the US. Our Overton window ranges from "genocidal fascists" to "okay maybe the government should build roads sometimes".
honkycat 5y ago
How could you argue we have gone "hard left" exactly? What is an event or piece of legislation that has been passed?
- djrogers 5y ago
  Some would say that spending $6 trillion in < 2 years on largely progressive programs is a pretty hard left swing. Others say that since the latest $4 trillion hasn’t passed yet we’re not left enough. Ill leave the judgement to you, but it’s pretty obvious that things are not the same today as they were 3 years ago.
  - KittenInABox 5y ago
    I mean why are we counting 2 years when the "left-leaning" party wasn't even in power 1 year ago?
    - lucaspm98 5y ago
      Even those on the right were, at least temporarily, willing to accept unprecedented levels of government spending.
      - cycrutchfield 5y ago
        The right has not been truly fiscally conservative for decades. Maybe you are the anomalous one, as your party seems to have transitioned to cults of personality lacking any sort of coherent ideology.
  - honkycat 5y ago
    Please show receipts here. You mean the infrastructure bill? That is only 1 trillion? What do you think is going to happen if we stop maintaining our infrastructure?
    - TeeMassive 5y ago
      The problem with the infrastructure bill is that the price tag was hidden with programs that needed to be renewed periodically.
    - mschuster91 5y ago
      It will survive for another decade or so, but without funding for maintenance and repair, at the point where it gets actually too unsafe to use or collapses during regular use it will be either a Democrat president getting under fire from Republicans for "not doing enough about infrastructure" or a Republican president blaming past Democrats for being "unwilling to fund infrastructure" - and the latter would actually be correct this time, given how Manchin acted.
  - diputsmonro 5y ago
    Yeah, that might have something to do with a major global pandemic, the response to which we completely bothched in our country. Let's see, who was the party in charge then, hmm...
- lucaspm98 5y ago
  Socially and culturally it's undeniable, it's now completely unacceptable in my professional and social circles to publicly support one of our two political parties. Politically, outside of the obvious 2020 election, there has been unbridled and unprecedented government spending since at least the beginning of the pandemic. Whether it was justified is up for debate, we likely still haven't realized all of the effects, but it has been at levels typically only those further on the left would propose.
  - cycrutchfield 5y ago
    Which political party was in charge of the executive branch and presided over the unbridled and unprecedented government spending since the beginning of the pandemic?
  - notreallyserio 5y ago
    Well, one of the parties has kind of gone off the rails with support for literal assaults on our democracy. You bet it's unacceptable.
    - CountDrewku 5y ago
      I agree, it's the party who thinks our entire system is racist because it was built by the euro-centric male slave owning patriarchy. Thinking it needs to be torn down and made into a NWO by way of packing the supreme court, flooding in illegal immigrants to vote, letting riots happen, and pushing CRT and gender theory on elementary students is definitely an attack on democracy. Forgive me if I'm not really that concerned about Qanon shaman taking selfies in the capital building or the FBI creating fake white supremacist groups.
      - scollet 5y ago
        How much TV do you watch?
        CountDrewku 5y ago

diputsmonro 5y ago

Could you explain that then, because honestly I can't fathom how a "hard left" pendulum swing has created our current issues. The US has arguably been swinging to the right for decades, and certainly is pretty right-wing compared to most other western democratic nations.

rjbwork 5y ago
You probably won't get a good answer. The conception of political "wings" and the current FPTP party duopoly along those wings is hilariously narrow in the US. Our Overton window ranges from "genocidal fascists" to "okay maybe the government should build roads sometimes".

honkycat 5y ago

How could you argue we have gone "hard left" exactly? What is an event or piece of legislation that has been passed?

djrogers 5y ago
Some would say that spending $6 trillion in < 2 years on largely progressive programs is a pretty hard left swing. Others say that since the latest $4 trillion hasn’t passed yet we’re not left enough. Ill leave the judgement to you, but it’s pretty obvious that things are not the same today as they were 3 years ago.
- KittenInABox 5y ago
  I mean why are we counting 2 years when the "left-leaning" party wasn't even in power 1 year ago?
  - lucaspm98 5y ago
    Even those on the right were, at least temporarily, willing to accept unprecedented levels of government spending.
    - cycrutchfield 5y ago
      The right has not been truly fiscally conservative for decades. Maybe you are the anomalous one, as your party seems to have transitioned to cults of personality lacking any sort of coherent ideology.
- honkycat 5y ago
  Please show receipts here. You mean the infrastructure bill? That is only 1 trillion? What do you think is going to happen if we stop maintaining our infrastructure?
  - TeeMassive 5y ago
    The problem with the infrastructure bill is that the price tag was hidden with programs that needed to be renewed periodically.
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    It will survive for another decade or so, but without funding for maintenance and repair, at the point where it gets actually too unsafe to use or collapses during regular use it will be either a Democrat president getting under fire from Republicans for "not doing enough about infrastructure" or a Republican president blaming past Democrats for being "unwilling to fund infrastructure" - and the latter would actually be correct this time, given how Manchin acted.
- diputsmonro 5y ago
  Yeah, that might have something to do with a major global pandemic, the response to which we completely bothched in our country. Let's see, who was the party in charge then, hmm...
lucaspm98 5y ago
Socially and culturally it's undeniable, it's now completely unacceptable in my professional and social circles to publicly support one of our two political parties. Politically, outside of the obvious 2020 election, there has been unbridled and unprecedented government spending since at least the beginning of the pandemic. Whether it was justified is up for debate, we likely still haven't realized all of the effects, but it has been at levels typically only those further on the left would propose.
- cycrutchfield 5y ago
  Which political party was in charge of the executive branch and presided over the unbridled and unprecedented government spending since the beginning of the pandemic?
- notreallyserio 5y ago
  Well, one of the parties has kind of gone off the rails with support for literal assaults on our democracy. You bet it's unacceptable.
  - CountDrewku 5y ago
    I agree, it's the party who thinks our entire system is racist because it was built by the euro-centric male slave owning patriarchy. Thinking it needs to be torn down and made into a NWO by way of packing the supreme court, flooding in illegal immigrants to vote, letting riots happen, and pushing CRT and gender theory on elementary students is definitely an attack on democracy. Forgive me if I'm not really that concerned about Qanon shaman taking selfies in the capital building or the FBI creating fake white supremacist groups.
    - scollet 5y ago
      How much TV do you watch?
      - CountDrewku 5y ago