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I don't want to leave ARM because I don't want to support Intel either way. So, there!

by adenozine 5y ago

iqanq 5y ago
Moving to a completely proprietary platform just to spite one x86 vendor is cutting off your nose to spite your face ;)
- spicybright 5y ago
  I thought arm was a lot more open than x86 based tech?
  - userbinator 5y ago
    No. x86 has its roots in the PC, which was an open and relatively standardised platform. ARM's rise to popularity came later, and there are literally thousands if not tens of thousands of different SoCs with an ARM core, which have nothing in common but the core. All the locked-down mobile devices are in this category, and their SoC manufacturers have been extremely reluctant to release much in the way of documentation.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      > x86 has its roots in the PC, which was an open and relatively standardised platform. x86 was and is proprietary (ARM's ISAs and designs are as well). The wider x86 platform is somewhat standardized, but that doesn't mean it's open any more than Apple computers using Thunderbolt or PCI or USB or DDR standards mean they are open.
      - blackoil 5y ago
        Can you build an ARM computer of the components from Newegg?
        throwawaylinux 5y ago
        Well that's a logical fallacy if ever I've seen one, but I'll humor you. Yes, you can. https://www.newegg.com/acer-cp513-1h-s60f/p/2S3-0008-003J5?Item=9SIACA1FFH0420 https://www.newegg.com/acer-cp513-1h-s60f/p/2S3-0008-003J5?I... https://www.newegg.com/p/1HD-005N-00048 https://www.newegg.com/p/1HD-005N-00048 https://www.newegg.com/nvidia-945-13541-0000-000/p/N82E16813190013 https://www.newegg.com/nvidia-945-13541-0000-000/p/N82E16813... Etc.
        userbinator 5y ago
        Do they sell ARM processors and motherboards? Are there even standard sockets for them?
        throwawaylinux 5y ago
        This is starting to seem trollish. If you are incapable of addressing the original comment I wrote about x86's proprietary nature then these rhetorical questions don't add anything. If you are, then please let's hear it (not in the form of a vague rhetorical question but a coherent argument). That said I'll humor you once more. > Do they sell ARM processors and motherboards? Yes some of those boards are essentially motherboards with ARM processors on them. > Are there even standard sockets for them? Not that I know of for ARM chips. If by "standard" you mean Intel-proprietary or AMD-proprietary, then there is be no reason that an ARM vendor or ARM Ltd. itself could not define a socket specification. That's not a matter of openness or proprietariness of the platform.
    - pschastain 5y ago
      If x86-64 is "open" why are Intel and AMD the only manufacturers..? The answer: it isn't open, it's proprietary. Check out x86 history, it's kinda interesting.
      - userbinator 5y ago
        why are Intel and AMD the only manufacturers x86-64 is patented (and the earliest CPUs with it are now over 20 years old, so probably expiring soon if not already), but original 32-bit x86 is long out of patent and there are/were quite a few other manufacturers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_x86_manufacturers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_x86_manufacturers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_IA-32_compatible_processor_manufacturers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_IA-32_compatibl... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex86
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  x86 is a completely proprietary platform. Like Apple's hardware it can run some non-proprietary software if you want to.

I don't want to leave ARM because I don't want to support Intel either way. So, there!

iqanq 5y ago

Moving to a completely proprietary platform just to spite one x86 vendor is cutting off your nose to spite your face ;)

spicybright 5y ago
I thought arm was a lot more open than x86 based tech?
- userbinator 5y ago
  No. x86 has its roots in the PC, which was an open and relatively standardised platform. ARM's rise to popularity came later, and there are literally thousands if not tens of thousands of different SoCs with an ARM core, which have nothing in common but the core. All the locked-down mobile devices are in this category, and their SoC manufacturers have been extremely reluctant to release much in the way of documentation.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    > x86 has its roots in the PC, which was an open and relatively standardised platform. x86 was and is proprietary (ARM's ISAs and designs are as well). The wider x86 platform is somewhat standardized, but that doesn't mean it's open any more than Apple computers using Thunderbolt or PCI or USB or DDR standards mean they are open.
    - blackoil 5y ago
      Can you build an ARM computer of the components from Newegg?
      - throwawaylinux 5y ago
        Well that's a logical fallacy if ever I've seen one, but I'll humor you. Yes, you can. https://www.newegg.com/acer-cp513-1h-s60f/p/2S3-0008-003J5?Item=9SIACA1FFH0420 https://www.newegg.com/acer-cp513-1h-s60f/p/2S3-0008-003J5?I... https://www.newegg.com/p/1HD-005N-00048 https://www.newegg.com/p/1HD-005N-00048 https://www.newegg.com/nvidia-945-13541-0000-000/p/N82E16813190013 https://www.newegg.com/nvidia-945-13541-0000-000/p/N82E16813... Etc.
        userbinator 5y ago
        Do they sell ARM processors and motherboards? Are there even standard sockets for them?
        throwawaylinux 5y ago
        This is starting to seem trollish. If you are incapable of addressing the original comment I wrote about x86's proprietary nature then these rhetorical questions don't add anything. If you are, then please let's hear it (not in the form of a vague rhetorical question but a coherent argument). That said I'll humor you once more. > Do they sell ARM processors and motherboards? Yes some of those boards are essentially motherboards with ARM processors on them. > Are there even standard sockets for them? Not that I know of for ARM chips. If by "standard" you mean Intel-proprietary or AMD-proprietary, then there is be no reason that an ARM vendor or ARM Ltd. itself could not define a socket specification. That's not a matter of openness or proprietariness of the platform.
  - pschastain 5y ago
    If x86-64 is "open" why are Intel and AMD the only manufacturers..? The answer: it isn't open, it's proprietary. Check out x86 history, it's kinda interesting.
    - userbinator 5y ago
      why are Intel and AMD the only manufacturers x86-64 is patented (and the earliest CPUs with it are now over 20 years old, so probably expiring soon if not already), but original 32-bit x86 is long out of patent and there are/were quite a few other manufacturers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_x86_manufacturers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_x86_manufacturers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_IA-32_compatible_processor_manufacturers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_IA-32_compatibl... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex86
throwawaylinux 5y ago
x86 is a completely proprietary platform. Like Apple's hardware it can run some non-proprietary software if you want to.