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I have some bad news for you: if your child is college bound then they are about to go into another environment that has been profoundly damaged by the pandemic

I have some bad news for you: if your child is college bound then they are about to go into another environment that has been profoundly damaged by the pandemic: a college campus. Students at my university are angry and depressed about the fact that they're paying thousands of dollars for glorified university of Phoenix. The college social scene is also obviously heavily disrupted, which is probably an underappreciated factor in the development of young people. If I were of college age and was able, I'd take a gap year or two without any hesitation.

rdtwo 5y ago
You but how long… gap year seemed like a good move at pandemic start but is been 2 years now with no End in sight
- tschwimmer 5y ago
  I think you can start college pretty much at any age as long as you don't already have a degree. It's obviously a huge luxury to do so, but I think you're missing out on so much social and intellectual development if you do college now that it may be worth holding out for 3 years (or maybe more). I'm not saying that college now is completely worthless, but looking from the outside and listening to what students are saying, it seems severely diminished.
  - rdtwo 5y ago
    At some point you get too old and you outgrow your college peer group. I think 2 years is the most id recommend. College is like 30% study 30% social and 40% getting the initial experience that you can use to start that first job.
    - tschwimmer 5y ago
      This doesn't pass the smell test to me. Plenty of seniors were friends with freshman and sophomores at my university. Maybe it's a bit rare to see an outgoing senior hanging out with a fresh out of high school freshman but less extreme examples were super common.
      - rdtwo 5y ago
        I just remember that there were some out of military guys in our program and they never really connected with the other under grads. They had more in common with grad students so perhaps they found more friends amongst that group.
    - snerbles 5y ago
      I finished my degree after returning from an enlistment, and was about 8-10 years older than the typical "college-aged" peer group. Though ages tended to skew older in the ECE department I attended, with at least a quarter of the EE majors being established over-30 professionals and veterans finishing their own degrees. Variety in age in socialization is a healthy thing, and I feel cramming entire cohorts into a 24-month bloc isn't particularly amenable to how we've evolved.
      - bradlys 5y ago
        Your experience isn’t likely common. Most people I went to college with at university were under the age of 25. The overwhelming majority so. I graduated at 23 and was consistently the oldest or tied for oldest in many of my classes. Outside of community college or graduate programs - people age 26+ are very uncommon.
      - ryathal 5y ago
        You also spent enlistment time in a similar to college setting for the social aspects anyway, so you would be less impacted by the lack of it in actual college.
- SuoDuanDao 5y ago
  I took four, most of that doing manual labour. Gave me lots of time to think about what I wanted my major to be, a decision I had no answer to at nineteen but had a good idea of at twenty-three. Definitely don't regret that delay.
bradlys 5y ago
Terrible advice. Gap year is a waste of time and is reserved for rich kids. You won’t be doing anything meaningful with your life due to COVID anyway. You have no employable skill set. You don’t have money because you’re a broke ass 18 year old. If your idea of fun is breaking your back bussing tables at a restaurant 40 hours a week then feel free to get a degree and do it after. I wouldn’t bother and have seen the effects on people who did skip the last year or two. It’s been terrible for them. They’ve basically been stuck at home doing jack shit and watching years of their life disappear without any progress on literally any front.
- blindmute 5y ago
  You're only stuck at home if you decide to be.

rdtwo 5y ago

You but how long… gap year seemed like a good move at pandemic start but is been 2 years now with no End in sight

tschwimmer 5y ago
I think you can start college pretty much at any age as long as you don't already have a degree. It's obviously a huge luxury to do so, but I think you're missing out on so much social and intellectual development if you do college now that it may be worth holding out for 3 years (or maybe more). I'm not saying that college now is completely worthless, but looking from the outside and listening to what students are saying, it seems severely diminished.
- rdtwo 5y ago
  At some point you get too old and you outgrow your college peer group. I think 2 years is the most id recommend. College is like 30% study 30% social and 40% getting the initial experience that you can use to start that first job.
  - tschwimmer 5y ago
    This doesn't pass the smell test to me. Plenty of seniors were friends with freshman and sophomores at my university. Maybe it's a bit rare to see an outgoing senior hanging out with a fresh out of high school freshman but less extreme examples were super common.
    - rdtwo 5y ago
      I just remember that there were some out of military guys in our program and they never really connected with the other under grads. They had more in common with grad students so perhaps they found more friends amongst that group.
  - snerbles 5y ago
    I finished my degree after returning from an enlistment, and was about 8-10 years older than the typical "college-aged" peer group. Though ages tended to skew older in the ECE department I attended, with at least a quarter of the EE majors being established over-30 professionals and veterans finishing their own degrees. Variety in age in socialization is a healthy thing, and I feel cramming entire cohorts into a 24-month bloc isn't particularly amenable to how we've evolved.
    - bradlys 5y ago
      Your experience isn’t likely common. Most people I went to college with at university were under the age of 25. The overwhelming majority so. I graduated at 23 and was consistently the oldest or tied for oldest in many of my classes. Outside of community college or graduate programs - people age 26+ are very uncommon.
    - ryathal 5y ago
      You also spent enlistment time in a similar to college setting for the social aspects anyway, so you would be less impacted by the lack of it in actual college.
SuoDuanDao 5y ago
I took four, most of that doing manual labour. Gave me lots of time to think about what I wanted my major to be, a decision I had no answer to at nineteen but had a good idea of at twenty-three. Definitely don't regret that delay.

bradlys 5y ago

Terrible advice. Gap year is a waste of time and is reserved for rich kids. You won’t be doing anything meaningful with your life due to COVID anyway. You have no employable skill set. You don’t have money because you’re a broke ass 18 year old. If your idea of fun is breaking your back bussing tables at a restaurant 40 hours a week then feel free to get a degree and do it after. I wouldn’t bother and have seen the effects on people who did skip the last year or two. It’s been terrible for them. They’ve basically been stuck at home doing jack shit and watching years of their life disappear without any progress on literally any front.

blindmute 5y ago
You're only stuck at home if you decide to be.