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Why does it have to be untreated? That seems like a bizarre criterion. It’s much easier to treat DTs than it is to treat a psychological addiction.
by zepto 5y ago
Why does it have to be untreated? That seems like a bizarre criterion. It’s much easier to treat DTs than it is to treat a psychological addiction.
- notch656a 5y agoWell for one because alcohol and alcoholics are virtually all over the world and it isn't clear to me that the majority of alcoholics in the world both know about the risks of DT and have access to treatment. But it is my understanding even with EARLY appropriate treatment there is an expectation 1+% of those suffering DT will die.
- zepto 5y agoHow many alcoholics suffer DT? Clearly not most. Most people just go to a support group and try to abstain, and they do not die. If deaths from DT were more than a corner case, then AA would be be considered to be a suicide pact.
- notch656a 5y agoAA specifically works with health care workers specifically because of this and other problems. If "most" is your bar then death is only a corner case of attempted suicide. Although I thought I admitted that "corner case" was just a poor choice of undefinable wording on my part. ~%5% odds of getting DTs and then 25% of death untreated and 1-5% chance treated don't sound great to me. Treated death of all alcoholics rate looks somewhere between flu and covid death rate and untreated death rate is much worse than covid death rate in populaton. People seem worried about covid death and not considering that a corner case.
- zepto 5y agoSure, but you’re forgetting the point of this. You are trying to claim that psychological addiction isn’t as real as physiological addiction, not just for alcohol. It’s clear that you care a lot about alcoholics with DT’s. What isn’t clear is why you want to deny the difficulties of people who have psychological addictions to any kind of drug. Is it just a numbers game for you?
- notch656a 5y ago>You are trying to claim that psychological addiction isn’t as real as physiological addiction, not just for alcohol. I never said such a thing and this is just a malevolent and calculated lie. >What isn’t clear is why you want to deny the difficulties of people who have psychological addictions to any kind of drug. It's not clear because no such denial exists, and it's only alleged as part of a malevolent and calculated lie. My original comment said they were both real. I'm saying regarding being straight up executed, the numbers game is that psychological addiction doesn't look nearly as likely to straight up execute you. I've said nothing to say psychologist addiction isn't a difficult for some people. I don't know about you, but I think it's extremely important, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE IN PSYCHOLOGICALLY ADDICTIVE SUBSTANCES who have perhaps had insanely hard struggles with things like opiates to understand that no amount of willpower will spare them from the very real chance of involuntary death from benzo or alcohol withdrawal. You've built a straw man as tall as the wall of china is wide.
- zepto 5y ago> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29800156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29800156 This is the comment you were arguing against.
- notch656a 5y agoI thought it was clear that I said both were real, but I understand maybe it was not interpreted by you that way. I wasn't saying your comment was wrong, I was speaking with thought in mind of some inferences that might be made based on your statement.