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Gun violence in schools has increased so we should be sending children to school? There were school shootings before the pandemic and there are school shootings

by sg47 5y ago

Gun violence in schools has increased so we should be sending children to school? There were school shootings before the pandemic and there are school shootings now. Nothing has been done to address either the mental health issues or access to guns.

zepto 5y ago
What has this got to do with covid? Also, guns have been more easily available in the past than they are now. Access to guns isn’t causing the uptick in school shootings. If we knew what was causing it, perhaps we could address the problem.
- giraffe_lady 5y ago
  We pretty much do know what causes school shootings though? I mean the causes are complex and there is much disagreement about which ones contribute what and how much, but the broad strokes are known. The issue is that 1) this information comes from the hn-accursed social sciences, 2) people don't like the answers and 3) we aren't willing to solve the problem anyway so why proselytize it?
  - zepto 5y ago
    > but the broad strokes are known. I’ve rarely seen any broad brush stroke other than ‘guns’ being blamed. 2) people don't like the answers Don’t they? Or do they simply not agree with the answers. Social science results are in fact very weak, as is constantly being shown. That is because it’s hard to do social science and the disciplines are relatively new. The way to improve this is not to pretend social science is better than it is, nor is it to ignore social science altogether, but to recognize its shortcomings and critique it. Also, your account is only 12 days old. I don’t think that is long enough to determine what is ‘accursed’ on HN. HN goes through trends and shifts over time. > 3) we aren't willing to solve the problem anyway so why proselytize it? Are we not? So we give up and to do something unrelated, in the name of solving the problem? That seems even worse. It doesn’t seem like we’re going to get rid of guns, so we may as well proselytize the real solutions.
  - fundad 5y ago
    The school openings vs closings is so obviously political opportunism. School shootings and climate crisis is no way to grow up but we aren't willing to solve those problems.
- another_story 5y ago
  I mean, if there were no access to guns it would probably take care of the problem. We'd probably end up with stabbings or bombings, though. My opinion is that American culture has a problem, guns or no guns. Lack of social cohesion, and a government that is more interested in increasing military budgets than finding ways to help its cash strapped population.

by sg47 5y ago

zepto 5y ago

What has this got to do with covid? Also, guns have been more easily available in the past than they are now. Access to guns isn’t causing the uptick in school shootings. If we knew what was causing it, perhaps we could address the problem.

giraffe_lady 5y ago
We pretty much do know what causes school shootings though? I mean the causes are complex and there is much disagreement about which ones contribute what and how much, but the broad strokes are known. The issue is that 1) this information comes from the hn-accursed social sciences, 2) people don't like the answers and 3) we aren't willing to solve the problem anyway so why proselytize it?
- zepto 5y ago
  > but the broad strokes are known. I’ve rarely seen any broad brush stroke other than ‘guns’ being blamed. 2) people don't like the answers Don’t they? Or do they simply not agree with the answers. Social science results are in fact very weak, as is constantly being shown. That is because it’s hard to do social science and the disciplines are relatively new. The way to improve this is not to pretend social science is better than it is, nor is it to ignore social science altogether, but to recognize its shortcomings and critique it. Also, your account is only 12 days old. I don’t think that is long enough to determine what is ‘accursed’ on HN. HN goes through trends and shifts over time. > 3) we aren't willing to solve the problem anyway so why proselytize it? Are we not? So we give up and to do something unrelated, in the name of solving the problem? That seems even worse. It doesn’t seem like we’re going to get rid of guns, so we may as well proselytize the real solutions.
- fundad 5y ago
  The school openings vs closings is so obviously political opportunism. School shootings and climate crisis is no way to grow up but we aren't willing to solve those problems.
another_story 5y ago
I mean, if there were no access to guns it would probably take care of the problem. We'd probably end up with stabbings or bombings, though. My opinion is that American culture has a problem, guns or no guns. Lack of social cohesion, and a government that is more interested in increasing military budgets than finding ways to help its cash strapped population.