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I wonder how all those kids with long covid will view decisions to physically disable them potentially for life so the state could force their parents to work.

I wonder how all those kids with long covid will view decisions to physically disable them potentially for life so the state could force their parents to work. I wonder how kids mental health copes with the idea that adults will intentionally expose them and others to a deadly disease with no mitigations to make money.

jdminhbg 5y ago
> kids with long covid ... physically disable them potentially for life At what point do we decide that totally evidence-free hysterical claims like this are as much misinformation as anti-vaxx posting is?
- tehjoker 5y ago
  The clinical picture is still evolving. There is much less information than for adults, but here's the first google link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/
  - khazhoux 5y ago
    > The clinical picture is still evolving. There is much less information than for adults We're nearing 300,000,000 cases worldwide. How is it still an open question? Maybe the reason there's "much less information" is simply because kids are not (by and large) getting majorly sick from it. If kids were dying from covid in any significant numbers, I have no doubt I'd be seeing the stories on CNN and everywhere else by now.
    - tehjoker 5y ago
      In the article I posted, one justification given for the paucity of data other than gross cases and deaths is that it's much harder to set up a study due to the issues around consent. > If kids were dying from covid in any significant numbers, I have no doubt I'd be seeing the stories on CNN and everywhere else by now. Well, pediatric admissions are the highest they've ever been. I would not rely on the major media, you have to look for the data yourself. Media are big businesses in the pocket of bigger business that want adults to go to work and kids to go to school. They will only report issues that are so large and obvious they can't be ignored. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1477663737511297024 https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1477663737511297024
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- gengelbro 5y ago
  I wonder how we'll look back at this in 10 years.
  - adam_arthur 5y ago
    Given that evidence of Post Viral syndrome exists for most other viruses, probably about the same as we look at those today. Not that we have lingering/longer term effects of other viruses to observe though..
adam_arthur 5y ago
Please share some stats on long covid in kids. e.g. effects that persist more than a few months out that can be reasonably expected to be permanent Surely they exist if you're making a comment like this, right?
- tehjoker 5y ago
  The research in kids is much sparser than in adults, but when I looked into this, I saw far smaller, more biased sample sizes than in adults, but very similar PET scans showing hypometabolism in kids brains as has been shown in adults. This first article popped up too discussing long covid in kids when I googled it just now. "Children with long covid" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/ "Similar patterns of [18F]-FDG brain PET hypometabolism in paediatric and adult patients with long COVID: a paediatric case series" https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00259-021-05528-4 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00259-021-05528... I think you all should learn to respect the enemy rather than dismissing it because it makes you feel bad.
  - sethammons 5y ago
    took a look at the first link, it points to doi.org/fv9t they asked kids 6-16, after having covid, if in the following 3 months they experienced muscle or joint aches, headaches, or several other things. of course half the kids self report that. How many of them had growing pains? Stayed up too late and didn't hydrate enough? Etc. I don't think this study is anything to give much weight to
    - tehjoker 5y ago
      The first link was just google, the second link I actually read and thought about.
disambiguation 5y ago
FFS man, less than 1k kids (0-17) have ever died from covid. Get in line behind gun violence, vehicle accidents, and drowning at the beach.
fleddr 5y ago
Force them to work, huh? Does it really need explaining that besides making money, work is also used to keep our society running? Do you like things such as...say, FOOD?
- tehjoker 5y ago
  China figured it out.
khazhoux 5y ago
I furiously disagree with anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers, but I'm very disappointing that the "official" Covid guidance mostly glosses over the (apparent) fact that children simply don't suffer major effects, except for a very small number of them (comparable to other common seasonal viruses). After two years and 300,000,000 cases worldwide, don't we have enough data by now to know that Covid isn't a major health risk for children?
- peppermint_tea 5y ago
  You have a good point, but I also think it will take more time to get the full picture of long covid in children (number affected, symptoms etc). https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(21)00198-X/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4... Because of the lack of data, it seems like I am running an experiment on my child either way : - if I send her to school where she will most likely catch covid (1st generation of kids to catch covid at a young age) - by getting a vaccine studied on such a small test group and short period of time (1st generation of kids get this vaccine at a young age) I am on the vaccine side but my ex is not. sorry for the rant(ish) reply, it is a sensitive personal topic and just needed to lay my thoughts bare I guess P.S : vaccine not available for child in her age group where she lives
  - nocsi 5y ago
    They really didn’t want to push vaccines on children since there were early studies they would develop myocarditis and inflammations. Really the vaccine isn’t made to prevent you from getting covid. It’s so you won’t die. Children don’t really need that since they don’t have significant symptoms. That being the case, what’s the point of them getting vaccinated if it presents risks.
    - peppermint_tea 5y ago
      vaccination sure present a risk. so does a covid infection, they are both negligible in terms of odds but both real. > They really didn’t want to push vaccines on children who is "they" because when I read guidance from several countries, it does recommend the vaccine in age group 5-11

jdminhbg 5y ago

> kids with long covid ... physically disable them potentially for life At what point do we decide that totally evidence-free hysterical claims like this are as much misinformation as anti-vaxx posting is?

tehjoker 5y ago
The clinical picture is still evolving. There is much less information than for adults, but here's the first google link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/
- khazhoux 5y ago
  > The clinical picture is still evolving. There is much less information than for adults We're nearing 300,000,000 cases worldwide. How is it still an open question? Maybe the reason there's "much less information" is simply because kids are not (by and large) getting majorly sick from it. If kids were dying from covid in any significant numbers, I have no doubt I'd be seeing the stories on CNN and everywhere else by now.
  - tehjoker 5y ago
    In the article I posted, one justification given for the paucity of data other than gross cases and deaths is that it's much harder to set up a study due to the issues around consent. > If kids were dying from covid in any significant numbers, I have no doubt I'd be seeing the stories on CNN and everywhere else by now. Well, pediatric admissions are the highest they've ever been. I would not rely on the major media, you have to look for the data yourself. Media are big businesses in the pocket of bigger business that want adults to go to work and kids to go to school. They will only report issues that are so large and obvious they can't be ignored. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1477663737511297024 https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1477663737511297024
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gengelbro 5y ago
I wonder how we'll look back at this in 10 years.
- adam_arthur 5y ago
  Given that evidence of Post Viral syndrome exists for most other viruses, probably about the same as we look at those today. Not that we have lingering/longer term effects of other viruses to observe though..

adam_arthur 5y ago

Please share some stats on long covid in kids. e.g. effects that persist more than a few months out that can be reasonably expected to be permanent Surely they exist if you're making a comment like this, right?

tehjoker 5y ago
The research in kids is much sparser than in adults, but when I looked into this, I saw far smaller, more biased sample sizes than in adults, but very similar PET scans showing hypometabolism in kids brains as has been shown in adults. This first article popped up too discussing long covid in kids when I googled it just now. "Children with long covid" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7927578/ "Similar patterns of [18F]-FDG brain PET hypometabolism in paediatric and adult patients with long COVID: a paediatric case series" https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00259-021-05528-4 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00259-021-05528... I think you all should learn to respect the enemy rather than dismissing it because it makes you feel bad.
- sethammons 5y ago
  took a look at the first link, it points to doi.org/fv9t they asked kids 6-16, after having covid, if in the following 3 months they experienced muscle or joint aches, headaches, or several other things. of course half the kids self report that. How many of them had growing pains? Stayed up too late and didn't hydrate enough? Etc. I don't think this study is anything to give much weight to
  - tehjoker 5y ago
    The first link was just google, the second link I actually read and thought about.

disambiguation 5y ago

FFS man, less than 1k kids (0-17) have ever died from covid. Get in line behind gun violence, vehicle accidents, and drowning at the beach.

fleddr 5y ago

Force them to work, huh? Does it really need explaining that besides making money, work is also used to keep our society running? Do you like things such as...say, FOOD?

tehjoker 5y ago
China figured it out.

khazhoux 5y ago

I furiously disagree with anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers, but I'm very disappointing that the "official" Covid guidance mostly glosses over the (apparent) fact that children simply don't suffer major effects, except for a very small number of them (comparable to other common seasonal viruses). After two years and 300,000,000 cases worldwide, don't we have enough data by now to know that Covid isn't a major health risk for children?

peppermint_tea 5y ago
You have a good point, but I also think it will take more time to get the full picture of long covid in children (number affected, symptoms etc). https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(21)00198-X/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4... Because of the lack of data, it seems like I am running an experiment on my child either way : - if I send her to school where she will most likely catch covid (1st generation of kids to catch covid at a young age) - by getting a vaccine studied on such a small test group and short period of time (1st generation of kids get this vaccine at a young age) I am on the vaccine side but my ex is not. sorry for the rant(ish) reply, it is a sensitive personal topic and just needed to lay my thoughts bare I guess P.S : vaccine not available for child in her age group where she lives
- nocsi 5y ago
  They really didn’t want to push vaccines on children since there were early studies they would develop myocarditis and inflammations. Really the vaccine isn’t made to prevent you from getting covid. It’s so you won’t die. Children don’t really need that since they don’t have significant symptoms. That being the case, what’s the point of them getting vaccinated if it presents risks.
  - peppermint_tea 5y ago
    vaccination sure present a risk. so does a covid infection, they are both negligible in terms of odds but both real. > They really didn’t want to push vaccines on children who is "they" because when I read guidance from several countries, it does recommend the vaccine in age group 5-11