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This is an attempt at manufacturing consensus by making it seem like these arguments are coming “from the adults in the room” because it’s in the NYTimes. They’

This is an attempt at manufacturing consensus by making it seem like these arguments are coming “from the adults in the room” because it’s in the NYTimes. They’re so good at gaslighting their readers (and I say this coming from the left of the NYT, not the right). You’ll start to see liberal politicians using these same talking points in the coming weeks, guaranteed.

stathibus 5y ago
Yes its an argument, yes its in a well known newspaper. That's not what "manufacturing consensus" means.
boppo1 5y ago
>You’ll start to see liberal politicians using these same talking points in the coming weeks, guaranteed. Well, there's no federal solution, so we gotta do something different, right?
Spooky23 5y ago
Exactly. The NYTimes is the worst, it’s like the paternalistic dad-figure of the media. In this case I think they’re right; omicron is a super spreading variant that is less lethal and impossible to control. Their audience is sick of lockdowns and employers are tightening the screws.
wizzwizz4 5y ago
> (and I say this coming from the left of the NYT, not the right) If politics is one-dimensional, that suggests that there is only one (main) political issue. History suggests that there's more to politics than one main issue, so what were you trying to convey by saying this?
ajmurmann 5y ago
"You’ll start to see liberal politicians using these same talking points in the coming weeks, guaranteed." This article's position seems to be more in line with the Republican's general stance on the pandemic. So isn't it a good thing of the left can revise its position?
- wayoutthere 5y ago
  It’s not the left; it’s the biden administration feeding meat into the machine. They have absolutely betrayed their voter base in favor of their corporate donors and they will pay for it in the next election when that base simply doesn’t show up.
- rdtwo 5y ago
  This is trying to manufacture Consensus on giving up and do natural immunity from the left
  - ajmurmann 5y ago
    I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with the actual content of the article. My statement was purely about the criticism on liberal politicians adapting something they read in the NYT. I think it's in general a positive if someone is able to change their views and revise their position when me information gets presented. Ideally we'd all be open to that regardless of the source. I know I'd be positively surprised if FoxNews were to publish a piece slamming refusal to take vaccines. The last thing I'd complain about is Republican politicians adopting that stance.
    - rdtwo 5y ago
      NYT ist so much liberal as it is corporate democrat. As such they have way more in common with the Republican Party (pre trump) than they do with say Bernie or actual liberals. So it’s not at all surprising to see what would traditionally be republican ideas come from them.

stathibus 5y ago

Yes its an argument, yes its in a well known newspaper. That's not what "manufacturing consensus" means.

boppo1 5y ago

>You’ll start to see liberal politicians using these same talking points in the coming weeks, guaranteed. Well, there's no federal solution, so we gotta do something different, right?

Spooky23 5y ago

Exactly. The NYTimes is the worst, it’s like the paternalistic dad-figure of the media. In this case I think they’re right; omicron is a super spreading variant that is less lethal and impossible to control. Their audience is sick of lockdowns and employers are tightening the screws.

wizzwizz4 5y ago

> (and I say this coming from the left of the NYT, not the right) If politics is one-dimensional, that suggests that there is only one (main) political issue. History suggests that there's more to politics than one main issue, so what were you trying to convey by saying this?

ajmurmann 5y ago

"You’ll start to see liberal politicians using these same talking points in the coming weeks, guaranteed." This article's position seems to be more in line with the Republican's general stance on the pandemic. So isn't it a good thing of the left can revise its position?

wayoutthere 5y ago
It’s not the left; it’s the biden administration feeding meat into the machine. They have absolutely betrayed their voter base in favor of their corporate donors and they will pay for it in the next election when that base simply doesn’t show up.
rdtwo 5y ago
This is trying to manufacture Consensus on giving up and do natural immunity from the left
- ajmurmann 5y ago
  I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with the actual content of the article. My statement was purely about the criticism on liberal politicians adapting something they read in the NYT. I think it's in general a positive if someone is able to change their views and revise their position when me information gets presented. Ideally we'd all be open to that regardless of the source. I know I'd be positively surprised if FoxNews were to publish a piece slamming refusal to take vaccines. The last thing I'd complain about is Republican politicians adopting that stance.
  - rdtwo 5y ago
    NYT ist so much liberal as it is corporate democrat. As such they have way more in common with the Republican Party (pre trump) than they do with say Bernie or actual liberals. So it’s not at all surprising to see what would traditionally be republican ideas come from them.