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The former is psychological. On the latter: citation needed.

by gspr 5y ago

wswope 5y ago
“Physical addiction” isn’t really an academic term - but you are misinformed: physical dependence on cannabis is a very well-established phenomenon. Dozens and dozens of citations for you: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,44&q=physical+dependence+cannabis https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,44&q=physi...
- gspr 5y ago
  Ah, there does seem to be some relating to appetite – interesting. The rest is again psychological, or from the 80s. Got anything from this millenium and clearly physical?
  - wswope 5y ago
    Sure, from the same search, filtered by date: > Flawed drug awareness campaigns of the 1990s claimed that cannabis could be psychologically addictive but not physically addictive like other drugs. However, cannabis does predictably cause physical dependence—the hallmarks of which are tolerance and withdrawal—and heavy users may have great difficulty in attempting to reduce or end their use, leading to compulsive, continued use and related consequences https://focus.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.focus.20180038 https://focus.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.foc...
    - stronglikedan 5y ago
      > tolerance and withdrawal I think they mean truly physical, like DTs for alcohol, and dope sickness for heroin. You don't get those types of symptoms from MJ withdrawals.
    - gspr 5y ago
      Physiological! This is a psychiatry journal!
toomanydoubts 5y ago
As a personal anecdote: been smoking for 10 years and everytime I take a break I have huge night sweats for 3 or 4 days until I become normal again. I'm talking like waking up twice in the middle of the night to change bed sheets and t-shirt so I'm not sleeping in a pool of sweat.
talentedcoin 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_use_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_use_disorder Prolonged cannabis use produces both pharmacokinetic changes (how the drug is absorbed, distributed, metabolized, and excreted) and pharmacodynamic changes (how the drug interacts with target cells) to the body. These changes require the user to consume higher doses of the drug to achieve a common desirable effect (known as a higher tolerance), reinforcing the body's metabolic systems for eliminating the drug more efficiently and further down-regulating cannabinoid receptors in the brain.[7] Cannabis users have shown decreased reactivity to dopamine, suggesting a possible link to a dampening of the reward system of the brain and an increase in negative emotion and addiction severity.[8] (...) Cannabis withdrawal symptoms occur in one-half of people in treatment for cannabis use disorders.[15] Symptoms may include dysphoria (anxiety, irritability, depression, restlessness), disturbed sleep, gastrointestinal symptoms, and decreased appetite. It is often paired with rhythmic movement disorder. Most symptoms begin during the first week of abstinence and resolve after a few weeks.
haswell 5y ago
For some scholarly exploration, see [0]. Whether or not there is strong evidence of physical addiction, the withdrawal experience is very real, and often unpleasant. Couple this with psychological dependence, and quitting can feel quite daunting. The main issues right away: - Problems sleeping due to REM rebound (vivid disruptive dreams or nightmares) - Appetite issues - General irritability - Heightened anxiety (especially if using cannabis to treat anxiety) If you’re using semi-medicinally, it’s extremely easy to hit these roadblocks, conclude “see I shouldn’t quit, weed isn’t so bad anyway”, and fall back into the habit. I’m convinced that the reality of cannabis addiction/withdrawal is aggressively glossed over by the community of users who are very invested in what they’re doing being just fine. The truth is a bit murkier/darker. I say this as a recreational-bordering-medical user (it does help calm down my PTSD) who enjoys using it, but who dislikes the inconvenient reality of trying to take a tolerance break. - [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5414724/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5414724/
- convolvatron 5y ago
  I recently quit a pretty heavy constant background dose of THC (which I used to leverage myself off a pretty heavy constant background dose of alcohol). sleeping is a big one piercing headaches similar effect to quitting alcohol - heightened sensitivity to light and noise its also quite an adjustment to be dumped back out into the world again after living for years in your little blanket of quiet satisfaction. its not the worst, and I've quit weed before without going through anything..but its not nothin

The former is psychological. On the latter: citation needed.

by gspr 5y ago

The former is psychological. On the latter: citation needed.

“Physical addiction” isn’t really an academic term - but you are misinformed: physical dependence on cannabis is a very well-established phenomenon. Dozens and dozens of citations for you: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,44&q=physical+dependence+cannabis https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,44&q=physi...

gspr 5y ago
Ah, there does seem to be some relating to appetite – interesting. The rest is again psychological, or from the 80s. Got anything from this millenium and clearly physical?
- wswope 5y ago
  Sure, from the same search, filtered by date: > Flawed drug awareness campaigns of the 1990s claimed that cannabis could be psychologically addictive but not physically addictive like other drugs. However, cannabis does predictably cause physical dependence—the hallmarks of which are tolerance and withdrawal—and heavy users may have great difficulty in attempting to reduce or end their use, leading to compulsive, continued use and related consequences https://focus.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.focus.20180038 https://focus.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.foc...
  - stronglikedan 5y ago
    > tolerance and withdrawal I think they mean truly physical, like DTs for alcohol, and dope sickness for heroin. You don't get those types of symptoms from MJ withdrawals.
  - gspr 5y ago
    Physiological! This is a psychiatry journal!

toomanydoubts 5y ago

As a personal anecdote: been smoking for 10 years and everytime I take a break I have huge night sweats for 3 or 4 days until I become normal again. I'm talking like waking up twice in the middle of the night to change bed sheets and t-shirt so I'm not sleeping in a pool of sweat.

talentedcoin 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_use_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_use_disorder Prolonged cannabis use produces both pharmacokinetic changes (how the drug is absorbed, distributed, metabolized, and excreted) and pharmacodynamic changes (how the drug interacts with target cells) to the body. These changes require the user to consume higher doses of the drug to achieve a common desirable effect (known as a higher tolerance), reinforcing the body's metabolic systems for eliminating the drug more efficiently and further down-regulating cannabinoid receptors in the brain.[7] Cannabis users have shown decreased reactivity to dopamine, suggesting a possible link to a dampening of the reward system of the brain and an increase in negative emotion and addiction severity.[8] (...) Cannabis withdrawal symptoms occur in one-half of people in treatment for cannabis use disorders.[15] Symptoms may include dysphoria (anxiety, irritability, depression, restlessness), disturbed sleep, gastrointestinal symptoms, and decreased appetite. It is often paired with rhythmic movement disorder. Most symptoms begin during the first week of abstinence and resolve after a few weeks.

haswell 5y ago

For some scholarly exploration, see [0]. Whether or not there is strong evidence of physical addiction, the withdrawal experience is very real, and often unpleasant. Couple this with psychological dependence, and quitting can feel quite daunting. The main issues right away: - Problems sleeping due to REM rebound (vivid disruptive dreams or nightmares) - Appetite issues - General irritability - Heightened anxiety (especially if using cannabis to treat anxiety) If you’re using semi-medicinally, it’s extremely easy to hit these roadblocks, conclude “see I shouldn’t quit, weed isn’t so bad anyway”, and fall back into the habit. I’m convinced that the reality of cannabis addiction/withdrawal is aggressively glossed over by the community of users who are very invested in what they’re doing being just fine. The truth is a bit murkier/darker. I say this as a recreational-bordering-medical user (it does help calm down my PTSD) who enjoys using it, but who dislikes the inconvenient reality of trying to take a tolerance break. - [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5414724/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5414724/

convolvatron 5y ago
I recently quit a pretty heavy constant background dose of THC (which I used to leverage myself off a pretty heavy constant background dose of alcohol). sleeping is a big one piercing headaches similar effect to quitting alcohol - heightened sensitivity to light and noise its also quite an adjustment to be dumped back out into the world again after living for years in your little blanket of quiet satisfaction. its not the worst, and I've quit weed before without going through anything..but its not nothin