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I've been a happy 1PW user on Windows 10 for a few years, but admit I haven't paid a lot of attention. I haven't noticed any big changes. What are you guys refe

I've been a happy 1PW user on Windows 10 for a few years, but admit I haven't paid a lot of attention. I haven't noticed any big changes. What are you guys referring to?

drcongo 5y ago
They've made a laundry list of user-hostile changes in the last few years, enough to turn me from a very vocal advocate recommending 1P to everyone I know, into someone with a visceral dislike of the company and everything they do. They've repeatedly removed features that people relied on (self-managed sync), done all sorts of dark patterns to trick people into subscribing and the app just keeps getting worse. My biggest bugbear on that last point is that it's no longer possible to tab to the generate password button - something that was possible in every version up until the latest one. And to top it all off, the next version is going to be yet another stinking Electron turd eating up your system resources.
torstenvl 5y ago
They made generating passwords more difficult. You can no longer tell it how many, e.g., special symbols to use, only to use them or not. This means regenerating new passwords over and over until one fits site requirements, and/or manual tweaking that might unintentionally reduce entropy. They stopped supporting the mobile extension. I can no longer invoke 1Password from Safari on iOS. If I'm lucky, then Safari's own AutoFill will recognize what I'm trying to do, and connect to 1Password that way. Otherwise I have to manually copy login credentials from the 1Password app to Safari. Either way, that is not an acceptable solution. They make it increasingly difficult to find and use the non-subscription version of their software. The new desktop software is a giant Electron mess. And the developers respond to any and all criticism with the polite corporate-speak version of a giant middle finger.
- kemayo 5y ago
  > They stopped supporting the mobile extension. I can no longer invoke 1Password from Safari on iOS. They did provide an alternative, to be fair -- they're shipping a Safari web extension that you can turn on, which gives you about the same behavior as in a desktop browser. Honestly, I find that the built in iOS autofill stuff works fine for my purposes. I recognize that's probably very specific to the exact sites I'm using, though...
  - torstenvl 5y ago
    > they're shipping a Safari web extension that you can turn on, which gives you about the same behavior as in a desktop browser I'm sorry, but this is not accurate. The extension they're shipping is intentionally crippled unless you pay the monthly ransom and give Agile Bits sole control over your passwords. https://ibb.co/XC0PkD9 https://ibb.co/XC0PkD9
    - kemayo 5y ago
      Huh, I didn't realize the extension didn't support standalone vaults. That's pretty shitty of them, then.
berberous 5y ago
1) Pressure to move from standalone purchase to subscription pricing 2) For some reason, using the above as justification to also try pressuring folks from moving from stand-alone vaults to cloud native vaults, which people worry is less secure 3) Switching to electron app rather than fully native app 4) When users voice above criticism, responding with BS, rather than engage in a fair, honest and transparent way Bottom line, they raised a ton of cash, and it seems clear they are focused on decreasing costs and increasing profitability, at the expense of what made their loyal long time users love them
jrockway 5y ago
People are mad because it used to be self-hosted and free, but now it's mostly something you pay for. I just pay for it and yeah, it's great.
- drcongo 5y ago
  This can't go uncorrected - it was never free and nobody has ever complained that it isn't. I've been giving them money for over a decade.

I've been a happy 1PW user on Windows 10 for a few years, but admit I haven't paid a lot of attention. I haven't noticed any big changes. What are you guys referring to?

drcongo 5y ago

They've made a laundry list of user-hostile changes in the last few years, enough to turn me from a very vocal advocate recommending 1P to everyone I know, into someone with a visceral dislike of the company and everything they do. They've repeatedly removed features that people relied on (self-managed sync), done all sorts of dark patterns to trick people into subscribing and the app just keeps getting worse. My biggest bugbear on that last point is that it's no longer possible to tab to the generate password button - something that was possible in every version up until the latest one. And to top it all off, the next version is going to be yet another stinking Electron turd eating up your system resources.

torstenvl 5y ago

They made generating passwords more difficult. You can no longer tell it how many, e.g., special symbols to use, only to use them or not. This means regenerating new passwords over and over until one fits site requirements, and/or manual tweaking that might unintentionally reduce entropy. They stopped supporting the mobile extension. I can no longer invoke 1Password from Safari on iOS. If I'm lucky, then Safari's own AutoFill will recognize what I'm trying to do, and connect to 1Password that way. Otherwise I have to manually copy login credentials from the 1Password app to Safari. Either way, that is not an acceptable solution. They make it increasingly difficult to find and use the non-subscription version of their software. The new desktop software is a giant Electron mess. And the developers respond to any and all criticism with the polite corporate-speak version of a giant middle finger.

kemayo 5y ago
> They stopped supporting the mobile extension. I can no longer invoke 1Password from Safari on iOS. They did provide an alternative, to be fair -- they're shipping a Safari web extension that you can turn on, which gives you about the same behavior as in a desktop browser. Honestly, I find that the built in iOS autofill stuff works fine for my purposes. I recognize that's probably very specific to the exact sites I'm using, though...
- torstenvl 5y ago
  > they're shipping a Safari web extension that you can turn on, which gives you about the same behavior as in a desktop browser I'm sorry, but this is not accurate. The extension they're shipping is intentionally crippled unless you pay the monthly ransom and give Agile Bits sole control over your passwords. https://ibb.co/XC0PkD9 https://ibb.co/XC0PkD9
  - kemayo 5y ago
    Huh, I didn't realize the extension didn't support standalone vaults. That's pretty shitty of them, then.

berberous 5y ago

1) Pressure to move from standalone purchase to subscription pricing 2) For some reason, using the above as justification to also try pressuring folks from moving from stand-alone vaults to cloud native vaults, which people worry is less secure 3) Switching to electron app rather than fully native app 4) When users voice above criticism, responding with BS, rather than engage in a fair, honest and transparent way Bottom line, they raised a ton of cash, and it seems clear they are focused on decreasing costs and increasing profitability, at the expense of what made their loyal long time users love them

jrockway 5y ago

People are mad because it used to be self-hosted and free, but now it's mostly something you pay for. I just pay for it and yeah, it's great.

drcongo 5y ago
This can't go uncorrected - it was never free and nobody has ever complained that it isn't. I've been giving them money for over a decade.