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More notable is actuarial data that shows that all cause mortality remains stubbornly elevated. Actuaries study death for a living and they need to get it right

More notable is actuarial data that shows that all cause mortality remains stubbornly elevated. Actuaries study death for a living and they need to get it right or the life insurance companies they work for go bust. What the data suggests is that in aggregate we're largely moving death around. From who to whom is the question.

flipbrad 5y ago
With a large population of unvaccinated people, and the virus affecting record numbers of people, what did you really expect to happen to all cause mortality??
whimsicalism 5y ago
Excess mortality stats show this to be obviously false
throwaway97345 5y ago
"Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64" That's not the old cohort that typically dies from Covid anymore. https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insuran...
foo_barrio 5y ago
Isn't excess mortality the aggregate? That was way up in 2020 (in the US at least) no? How is this moving death around?
- illys 5y ago
  I am not in the figures but I understand "moving death around" this way: If you do not properly hospitalize serious Covid patients, you get more Covid death... If you properly treat them, you postpone the treatment of other sicknesses and increase death count in another population. Then you keep an excess mortality that just moves around.
  - foo_barrio 5y ago
    But excess mortality is the total. It's not the slice of the pie where if you grow one, the other shrinks, it IS the pie no? There was an huge bump in excess mortality year-over-year. If it was moved around you'd expect the total of all the dips to come close to the bump? That's not what has been observed. So something caused more people to die than usual. What is it? (rhetorical question not asking directly).

flipbrad 5y ago

With a large population of unvaccinated people, and the virus affecting record numbers of people, what did you really expect to happen to all cause mortality??

whimsicalism 5y ago

Excess mortality stats show this to be obviously false

throwaway97345 5y ago

"Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64" That's not the old cohort that typically dies from Covid anymore. https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/indiana-life-insuran...

foo_barrio 5y ago

Isn't excess mortality the aggregate? That was way up in 2020 (in the US at least) no? How is this moving death around?

illys 5y ago
I am not in the figures but I understand "moving death around" this way: If you do not properly hospitalize serious Covid patients, you get more Covid death... If you properly treat them, you postpone the treatment of other sicknesses and increase death count in another population. Then you keep an excess mortality that just moves around.
- foo_barrio 5y ago
  But excess mortality is the total. It's not the slice of the pie where if you grow one, the other shrinks, it IS the pie no? There was an huge bump in excess mortality year-over-year. If it was moved around you'd expect the total of all the dips to come close to the bump? That's not what has been observed. So something caused more people to die than usual. What is it? (rhetorical question not asking directly).