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TL;DR version not antivax but choose not to vax because feeling healthy at 72. "die of Covid" "the brothers had not been vaccinated against Covid-19." "Their

by guerby 5y ago

TL;DR version not antivax but choose not to vax because feeling healthy at 72. "die of Covid" "the brothers had not been vaccinated against Covid-19." "Their friends said they were convinced their healthy lifestyle would protect them" "Asked why they had chosen not to have the Covid vaccines if they were not themselves anti-vaxxers, Luc Ferry said on Monday: "Like Igor, Grichka wasn't antivax, he was just antivax for himself. "They were both athletic, with not an inch of fat, and they thought the vaccine was more dangerous than the virus."" https://www.lamontagne.fr/paris-75000/actualites/covid-19-quelle-est-vraiment-la-part-des-non-vaccines-parmi-les-patients-decedes_14052485/ https://www.lamontagne.fr/paris-75000/actualites/covid-19-qu... From 31 may to 14 november 2021 a total of 2854 unvaccinated people died of COVID19 in France and 2179 died while having at least one shot of vaccine. About 77% of the population has at least one shot in France.

karlkloss 5y ago
I'm not someone who believes in conspiracy theories, but one could come to the conclusion, that this massive campaign against vaccinations, and the general downplaying of the pandemic is a conspiracy to get rid of dumb people.
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- PopeUrbanX 5y ago
- juanani 5y ago
tehwebguy 5y ago
A distinction without a difference.
Majestic121 5y ago
It's a pretty contradicting statement to say in the same sentence "I'm not antivax but I think the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus" It seems like they were actually antivax but did not want the social stigma associated with the term. "I'm not antivax but however yadda yadda" It reminds me of the classical "Racism is pretty fun because it does not exists, just ask around you'll see nobody is"
- adrianN 5y ago
  It's a valid opinion that for most people the vaccine is beneficial, but for some people the vaccine is more dangerous than the infection. Usually the plausible example are young children, not people over 70 though.
  - whimsicalism 5y ago
    Afaik no young child has been killed by the vaccine in the US, whereas a few hundred have been killed by covid. Most vaccine deaths seem to be among 20 somethings
    - whatshisface 5y ago
      The fact that health authorities have not been vaccinating young children on the basis of the data we do have has made some contribution to the fact that young children haven't had reactions to it.
      - whimsicalism 5y ago
        They are vaccinating children older than 5, you are talking about below this? There's no evidence you have for this assertion that for children the vaccine is more dangerous than the illness. Neither are particularly dangerous at all for young children, but the disease has been linked to deaths in children.
        whatshisface 5y ago
rajin444 5y ago
Do we know why some vaccinated people still die of Covid? That would probably help a lot in figuring out who will benefit from the vaccine.
- throwawaymanbot 5y ago
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- CodeGlitch 5y ago
  Because for your body to fight a virus, it needs to have a good working immune system. Some people lack that for various reasons. A vaccine helps in this case but it's not 100%. Being "fit" certainly helps your immune system. But as we see here, it doesn't make you invincible.

by guerby 5y ago

karlkloss 5y ago

I'm not someone who believes in conspiracy theories, but one could come to the conclusion, that this massive campaign against vaccinations, and the general downplaying of the pandemic is a conspiracy to get rid of dumb people.

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PopeUrbanX 5y ago
juanani 5y ago

tehwebguy 5y ago

A distinction without a difference.

Majestic121 5y ago

It's a pretty contradicting statement to say in the same sentence "I'm not antivax but I think the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus" It seems like they were actually antivax but did not want the social stigma associated with the term. "I'm not antivax but however yadda yadda" It reminds me of the classical "Racism is pretty fun because it does not exists, just ask around you'll see nobody is"

adrianN 5y ago
It's a valid opinion that for most people the vaccine is beneficial, but for some people the vaccine is more dangerous than the infection. Usually the plausible example are young children, not people over 70 though.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  Afaik no young child has been killed by the vaccine in the US, whereas a few hundred have been killed by covid. Most vaccine deaths seem to be among 20 somethings
  - whatshisface 5y ago
    The fact that health authorities have not been vaccinating young children on the basis of the data we do have has made some contribution to the fact that young children haven't had reactions to it.
    - whimsicalism 5y ago
      They are vaccinating children older than 5, you are talking about below this? There's no evidence you have for this assertion that for children the vaccine is more dangerous than the illness. Neither are particularly dangerous at all for young children, but the disease has been linked to deaths in children.
      - whatshisface 5y ago

rajin444 5y ago

Do we know why some vaccinated people still die of Covid? That would probably help a lot in figuring out who will benefit from the vaccine.

throwawaymanbot 5y ago
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CodeGlitch 5y ago
Because for your body to fight a virus, it needs to have a good working immune system. Some people lack that for various reasons. A vaccine helps in this case but it's not 100%. Being "fit" certainly helps your immune system. But as we see here, it doesn't make you invincible.