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Skilling of Enron fame got 24 years and was released after 12. That seemed a far worse crime than Theranos IMHO.

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
> Skilling of Enron fame got 24 years and was released after 12. That's because his original 24 year sentence was reduced to 14 after a Supreme Court case vacated part of his convictions. My bet, based on some calculators I've seen, is that Holmes serves (actually in jail) 14-18 years.
- nikanj 5y ago
  My bet, based on her net worth, is that she'll die of old age before the last round of appeals ends - and serve zero days before that.
  - PavleMiha 5y ago
    Would you actually be willing to bet money on this 1 to 1? I. e. that Holmes serves no days in prison.
    - hnarayanan 5y ago
      I totally would. She's a blonde haired, blue-eyed white woman!
      - dokem 5y ago
        Holmes is not particularly attractive. Martha Stewart was (accounting for age) attractive and somewhat beloved in the US and served time. I don't think Holmes really has anyone in her corner when it comes to a 'beauty pass'.
      - KumoriNova 5y ago
        "She's a blonde haired, blue-eyed white woman!" What does that mean to you? I am curious to know why you'd make that bet with the OP with those two facts alone.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        -Three.- Edit: Duh, four.
  - aqme28 5y ago
    Does she still have any significant net worth? It's not like her stock is still worth anything.
    - thallium205 5y ago
      Her baby daddy is extremely wealthy.
      - youngNed 5y ago
        > baby daddy Non American here, why do people use this infantile term to refer to a spouse? Unless I am mistaken, the father of her child is her husband - why use another term? Edit: Thanks everyone for pointing out that you don't need to be married to have a child, wow, everyday a school day on HN. But her husband _is_ as far as we know, the father of her child.
        bogwog 5y ago
        Women aren’t always married to their baby’s daddy. Not exactly sure where the term came from, but I know I’ve heard it in songs, seen it in movies and on TV, etc. It’s just a popular phrase.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        > It’s just a popular phrase. Yes. And, as the G(GG...?)P said, a stupid one.
        NateEag 5y ago
        Wikipedia says that she was in a relationship with her business partner up until Theranos fell apart. She then married her current spouse. "Baby daddy" is often used to imply that the woman is not really attracted or attached to the man who fathered a child. I think OP is implying that Holmes hooked up with and married the new guy as a cynical ploy to get a war chest for the impending legal actions. I can't speak at all to Holmes' motivations, but it certainly doesn't conflict with what I read on Wikipedia, or with her apparent ethics.
  - Gustomaximus 5y ago
    Given she is now convicted and soon to be sentenced, won't she be in jail for/during subsequent appeals?
    - flatiron 5y ago
      she is not currently jailed. i saw on the news this morning after her guilty verdict walking out with her lawyer. i don't believe they jail you until sentencing for white collar crimes since you aren't a "threat" to the general public
      - Gustomaximus 5y ago
        Sorry seems I was unclear in my wording. I said soon to be sentenced. And words towards 'won't she be in jail through any appeal process.' But in response to the original comment saying she won't get jail time at all due to appeals, do you think she will not be sentenced and the appeal with happen before then where they disregard this conviction during that process? Anyway, confusion aside I was trying to politely point out they seem wrong in their assumption she will never see jail due to an appeal process. That's not how the process works.
        nikanj 5y ago
        You slightly misunderstood my cynicism: I don't think they'll overturn this convinction and cancel her sentence. I think she'll only start serving time once the very last round of appeals ends - which is going to be many years after her death. They'll just Jarndyce v Jarndyce for decades to come.
  - wombat-man 5y ago
    I guess I understand the cynicism but her net worth appears to be not much. Usually you'd want to use your money to avoid getting convicted but here we are. It's non-violent. Nobody died. I think 5-10 years. Maybe she can be Shkreli's pen pal.
    - himinlomax 5y ago
      > It's non-violent. Nobody died. She was peddling non functional healthcare devices and services. People could have died, and she clearly didn't care.
      - wombat-man 5y ago
        Wasn't it mostly vapor ware medical testing services? Afaik they mainly wasted investor time and money and took customer money for test services they just never ended up providing. Unless I'm missing something?? I think their customers just ended up stuck with the bill and had to go to a regular lab.
    - pb7 5y ago
      Wrong. Someone committed suicide because of her and her legal team's harassment and blackmailing.

> Skilling of Enron fame got 24 years and was released after 12. That's because his original 24 year sentence was reduced to 14 after a Supreme Court case vacated part of his convictions. My bet, based on some calculators I've seen, is that Holmes serves (actually in jail) 14-18 years.

nikanj 5y ago
My bet, based on her net worth, is that she'll die of old age before the last round of appeals ends - and serve zero days before that.
- PavleMiha 5y ago
  Would you actually be willing to bet money on this 1 to 1? I. e. that Holmes serves no days in prison.
  - hnarayanan 5y ago
    I totally would. She's a blonde haired, blue-eyed white woman!
    - dokem 5y ago
      Holmes is not particularly attractive. Martha Stewart was (accounting for age) attractive and somewhat beloved in the US and served time. I don't think Holmes really has anyone in her corner when it comes to a 'beauty pass'.
    - KumoriNova 5y ago
      "She's a blonde haired, blue-eyed white woman!" What does that mean to you? I am curious to know why you'd make that bet with the OP with those two facts alone.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        -Three.- Edit: Duh, four.
- aqme28 5y ago
  Does she still have any significant net worth? It's not like her stock is still worth anything.
  - thallium205 5y ago
    Her baby daddy is extremely wealthy.
    - youngNed 5y ago
      > baby daddy Non American here, why do people use this infantile term to refer to a spouse? Unless I am mistaken, the father of her child is her husband - why use another term? Edit: Thanks everyone for pointing out that you don't need to be married to have a child, wow, everyday a school day on HN. But her husband _is_ as far as we know, the father of her child.
      - bogwog 5y ago
        Women aren’t always married to their baby’s daddy. Not exactly sure where the term came from, but I know I’ve heard it in songs, seen it in movies and on TV, etc. It’s just a popular phrase.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        > It’s just a popular phrase. Yes. And, as the G(GG...?)P said, a stupid one.
      - NateEag 5y ago
        Wikipedia says that she was in a relationship with her business partner up until Theranos fell apart. She then married her current spouse. "Baby daddy" is often used to imply that the woman is not really attracted or attached to the man who fathered a child. I think OP is implying that Holmes hooked up with and married the new guy as a cynical ploy to get a war chest for the impending legal actions. I can't speak at all to Holmes' motivations, but it certainly doesn't conflict with what I read on Wikipedia, or with her apparent ethics.
- Gustomaximus 5y ago
  Given she is now convicted and soon to be sentenced, won't she be in jail for/during subsequent appeals?
  - flatiron 5y ago
    she is not currently jailed. i saw on the news this morning after her guilty verdict walking out with her lawyer. i don't believe they jail you until sentencing for white collar crimes since you aren't a "threat" to the general public
    - Gustomaximus 5y ago
      Sorry seems I was unclear in my wording. I said soon to be sentenced. And words towards 'won't she be in jail through any appeal process.' But in response to the original comment saying she won't get jail time at all due to appeals, do you think she will not be sentenced and the appeal with happen before then where they disregard this conviction during that process? Anyway, confusion aside I was trying to politely point out they seem wrong in their assumption she will never see jail due to an appeal process. That's not how the process works.
      - nikanj 5y ago
        You slightly misunderstood my cynicism: I don't think they'll overturn this convinction and cancel her sentence. I think she'll only start serving time once the very last round of appeals ends - which is going to be many years after her death. They'll just Jarndyce v Jarndyce for decades to come.
- wombat-man 5y ago
  I guess I understand the cynicism but her net worth appears to be not much. Usually you'd want to use your money to avoid getting convicted but here we are. It's non-violent. Nobody died. I think 5-10 years. Maybe she can be Shkreli's pen pal.
  - himinlomax 5y ago
    > It's non-violent. Nobody died. She was peddling non functional healthcare devices and services. People could have died, and she clearly didn't care.
    - wombat-man 5y ago
      Wasn't it mostly vapor ware medical testing services? Afaik they mainly wasted investor time and money and took customer money for test services they just never ended up providing. Unless I'm missing something?? I think their customers just ended up stuck with the bill and had to go to a regular lab.
  - pb7 5y ago
    Wrong. Someone committed suicide because of her and her legal team's harassment and blackmailing.