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I completely agree; nothing here is conclusive at all. I just can't stand flippant statements like, "the data is clear," when it isn't, at all. Those kinds of p

I completely agree; nothing here is conclusive at all. I just can't stand flippant statements like, "the data is clear," when it isn't, at all. Those kinds of people are directly contributing to the social divide about science.

nojokes 5y ago
I agree.
jjeaff 5y ago
A preprint, but included because it is specifically for young men. 6x more likely to get myocarditis from COVID than vaccine. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/ There are now a multitude of studies indicating the prevelance of myocarditis from COVID 19. Many of which are broken down by age, so you can see how much higher the prevelance is vs vaccine side effects. We have a pretty good idea of how bad the myocarditis issue for COVID is because we had a good long time without a vaccine. There were very large increases in myocarditis in 2020 vs 2019. The real problem is that people like yourself jump to the first contradictory study you can find and tout it as proof or simply muddy the water from what many of the experts are saying. The reality on this particular issue is that quite a bit of research has already been done. A quick search will pull up multiple studies on myocarditis rates with covid, most of which have age breakdowns.
- dannyw 5y ago
  That preprint you linked estimates a rate per million of 561 for myocarditis, for young adult males. OP's preprint show a rate per million of 537 for young adult males on their second dose. I would say the research definitely isn't conclusive yet. For young adults, whether the vaccine is safer than getting COVID is an open question, but we do know the absolute risk for both (vaccination or getting COVID) is small.
  - nojokes 5y ago
    There is one difference: Singer et al paper excludes all patients with previous cardiac incidents.

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I completely agree; nothing here is conclusive at all. I just can't stand flippant statements like, "the data is clear," when it isn't, at all. Those kinds of p

by blindmute 5y ago

nojokes 5y ago
I agree.
jjeaff 5y ago
A preprint, but included because it is specifically for young men. 6x more likely to get myocarditis from COVID than vaccine. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/ There are now a multitude of studies indicating the prevelance of myocarditis from COVID 19. Many of which are broken down by age, so you can see how much higher the prevelance is vs vaccine side effects. We have a pretty good idea of how bad the myocarditis issue for COVID is because we had a good long time without a vaccine. There were very large increases in myocarditis in 2020 vs 2019. The real problem is that people like yourself jump to the first contradictory study you can find and tout it as proof or simply muddy the water from what many of the experts are saying. The reality on this particular issue is that quite a bit of research has already been done. A quick search will pull up multiple studies on myocarditis rates with covid, most of which have age breakdowns.
- dannyw 5y ago
  That preprint you linked estimates a rate per million of 561 for myocarditis, for young adult males. OP's preprint show a rate per million of 537 for young adult males on their second dose. I would say the research definitely isn't conclusive yet. For young adults, whether the vaccine is safer than getting COVID is an open question, but we do know the absolute risk for both (vaccination or getting COVID) is small.
  - nojokes 5y ago
    There is one difference: Singer et al paper excludes all patients with previous cardiac incidents.