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Yikes. Plus, my understanding is that > 10 means no minimum security camp and > 20 means no low security, so she would start off in medium security. - assuming

Yikes. Plus, my understanding is that > 10 means no minimum security camp and > 20 means no low security, so she would start off in medium security. - assuming it works the same way with woman as with men)

kstrauser 5y ago
Is that how it works? I’d hope you’re wrong, but have no reason to think so, because I’d like to believe that the kind of prison you’re sent to is related to how much of a risk you are to others. I’m not remotely an Elizabeth Holmes fan, but she isn’t going to be beating people up in the prison yard.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > I’d hope you’re wrong, but have no reason to think so, because I’d like to believe that the kind of prison you’re sent to is related to how much of a risk you are to others. I think in theory escape risk is a part of it, too, and people with extremely long sentences are presumed to have rather more motivation to escape.
  - kstrauser 5y ago
    I guess that makes sense, although on a personal level, I’d rather serve time in a minimum security prison and get it over with than escape, inevitably get caught, and have additional time in a worse place.
    - Ntrails 5y ago
      I don't know, in principal I'd rather go and live in south america on a modest income (assuming you have carefully sequestered some investments) for the rest of my life than spend 20+ in prison which is effectively the rest of my life anyway.
      - kstrauser 5y ago
        Alright, fair point.
- Applejinx 5y ago
  Do you mean 'how crudely and unintelligently you harm others'? It sounds like you're setting up a framework where you get sent to the mean prison if you're physically bullying people, and the more intelligently you deliver your harm the better treatment you get, perhaps up to a point where if you're smart enough you can harm people on an enormous scale and get, I don't know, praise for it instead of prison. Elizabeth seems the sort of person most capable of executing a plan whereby she pulls off a prison break through enlisting the aid of a bunch of other prisoners who're promised freedom themselves, but in her plan are actually there as decoys to be killed. It seems analogous to stuff she's already happily done. She is potentially a risk even to other prisoners if she carries on as she has done. I don't buy that she's not a risk to others.
  - kstrauser 5y ago
    Well, that’s certainly one way to interpret it. Another way is that the point of prison is to separate someone from society, not to put them in physical harm. If an accountant embezzles from his employer, he should do time, but maybe surrounded by other accountants and not armed robbers. I’m not talking about just Holmes here, but about prisons in general. It’s not supposed to be fun, but neither is it meant to support a collective revenge fantasy.
- datavirtue 5y ago
  Two years later...article about Holmes beating up someone in prison.
nobody9999 5y ago
>Yikes. Plus, my understanding is that > 10 means no minimum security camp and > 20 means no low security, so she would start off in medium security. - assuming it works the same way with woman as with men) I'm curious where you got that understanding. Would you mind sharing? Especially since that could put the khibosh on my retirement plans (commit a serious, but non-violent federal crime and receive a lengthy -- hopefully the rest of my life -- sentence at a minimum security "Club Fed"[0] facility). Free housing, food, health care and clothes with no tax liability for the rest of my life? It makes me want to to massively defraud some congress-critters once I turn 70 or so. Assuming I could be assured of conviction, I'd even hold on to the stolen money so it could be returned to the victims. Yes, I'm being somewhat facetious. But decent assisted living facilities run from USD6-12k/month and once I've spent all my money, it's off to a Medicaid facility that isn't much better than minimum security prisons anyway. This way, I can give my money to those I care about and not have to worry about spending down my life savings to ~USD2,000 in order to qualify for crappy accommodations at a facility that accepts Medicaid patients. Just sayin'. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2015/01/05/what-its-really-like-inside-club-fed-prisons/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2015/...
- chongli 5y ago
  A better alternative to a retirement home is to retire to a cruise ship. It’s actually a lot more affordable than many retirement homes and far more luxurious, entertaining, and with way better food. You also get the benefit of being able to take day trips in various ports of call and of course you get full housekeeping services like any other cruise passenger.
  - namdnay 5y ago
    There's no-one on a cruise ship to wash you and take you to the toilet. And there are no hospitals to take you to when you have a stroke
- ansible 5y ago
  > Free housing, food, health care ... Shitty housing, unhealthy, often poorly prepared food, and frequently inadequate health care... when it isn't denied outright. Being a prisoner in the USA, especially an elderly one, is terrible and shouldn't be joked about. But being elderly and relying solely on Medicaid also sucks.

kstrauser 5y ago

Is that how it works? I’d hope you’re wrong, but have no reason to think so, because I’d like to believe that the kind of prison you’re sent to is related to how much of a risk you are to others. I’m not remotely an Elizabeth Holmes fan, but she isn’t going to be beating people up in the prison yard.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> I’d hope you’re wrong, but have no reason to think so, because I’d like to believe that the kind of prison you’re sent to is related to how much of a risk you are to others. I think in theory escape risk is a part of it, too, and people with extremely long sentences are presumed to have rather more motivation to escape.
- kstrauser 5y ago
  I guess that makes sense, although on a personal level, I’d rather serve time in a minimum security prison and get it over with than escape, inevitably get caught, and have additional time in a worse place.
  - Ntrails 5y ago
    I don't know, in principal I'd rather go and live in south america on a modest income (assuming you have carefully sequestered some investments) for the rest of my life than spend 20+ in prison which is effectively the rest of my life anyway.
    - kstrauser 5y ago
      Alright, fair point.
Applejinx 5y ago
Do you mean 'how crudely and unintelligently you harm others'? It sounds like you're setting up a framework where you get sent to the mean prison if you're physically bullying people, and the more intelligently you deliver your harm the better treatment you get, perhaps up to a point where if you're smart enough you can harm people on an enormous scale and get, I don't know, praise for it instead of prison. Elizabeth seems the sort of person most capable of executing a plan whereby she pulls off a prison break through enlisting the aid of a bunch of other prisoners who're promised freedom themselves, but in her plan are actually there as decoys to be killed. It seems analogous to stuff she's already happily done. She is potentially a risk even to other prisoners if she carries on as she has done. I don't buy that she's not a risk to others.
- kstrauser 5y ago
  Well, that’s certainly one way to interpret it. Another way is that the point of prison is to separate someone from society, not to put them in physical harm. If an accountant embezzles from his employer, he should do time, but maybe surrounded by other accountants and not armed robbers. I’m not talking about just Holmes here, but about prisons in general. It’s not supposed to be fun, but neither is it meant to support a collective revenge fantasy.
datavirtue 5y ago
Two years later...article about Holmes beating up someone in prison.

nobody9999 5y ago

>Yikes. Plus, my understanding is that > 10 means no minimum security camp and > 20 means no low security, so she would start off in medium security. - assuming it works the same way with woman as with men) I'm curious where you got that understanding. Would you mind sharing? Especially since that could put the khibosh on my retirement plans (commit a serious, but non-violent federal crime and receive a lengthy -- hopefully the rest of my life -- sentence at a minimum security "Club Fed"[0] facility). Free housing, food, health care and clothes with no tax liability for the rest of my life? It makes me want to to massively defraud some congress-critters once I turn 70 or so. Assuming I could be assured of conviction, I'd even hold on to the stolen money so it could be returned to the victims. Yes, I'm being somewhat facetious. But decent assisted living facilities run from USD6-12k/month and once I've spent all my money, it's off to a Medicaid facility that isn't much better than minimum security prisons anyway. This way, I can give my money to those I care about and not have to worry about spending down my life savings to ~USD2,000 in order to qualify for crappy accommodations at a facility that accepts Medicaid patients. Just sayin'. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2015/01/05/what-its-really-like-inside-club-fed-prisons/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2015/...

chongli 5y ago
A better alternative to a retirement home is to retire to a cruise ship. It’s actually a lot more affordable than many retirement homes and far more luxurious, entertaining, and with way better food. You also get the benefit of being able to take day trips in various ports of call and of course you get full housekeeping services like any other cruise passenger.
- namdnay 5y ago
  There's no-one on a cruise ship to wash you and take you to the toilet. And there are no hospitals to take you to when you have a stroke
ansible 5y ago
> Free housing, food, health care ... Shitty housing, unhealthy, often poorly prepared food, and frequently inadequate health care... when it isn't denied outright. Being a prisoner in the USA, especially an elderly one, is terrible and shouldn't be joked about. But being elderly and relying solely on Medicaid also sucks.