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Are you willing or can you share the names of some of these companies?

• neom 5y ago
  No. I don't think what they did was wrong a), and, b) because it genuinely is prevalent. Maybe if the statue of limitations passed on some of the startups I've been involved in, I might consider it, but even then, doubtful.. It doesn't matter what was done, the startups were successful and the investors got paid back, so who is going to ask questions and why?
  • CRConrad 5y ago
    Frankly, making an outrageous claim and then just blithely going "Nope, I'm not going to give even a single example" makes it sound like you are spouting just as much bullshit as Holmes did. Or alternatively, like you're just not understanding the difference between over-optimistic forecasts and claims of actual outcome. Which is it?
  • seehafer 5y ago
    Were any of these startups providing medical care or diagnostics to people on false pretenses?
    • neom 5y ago
      She was found guilty of investor fraud, not medical/patient fraud.
      • seehafer 5y ago
        Your implied question is "why is this case special?", when so many startups supposedly do this. Most startups aren't giving people input into major medical decisions.
  • hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
    I mean, on one hand, yes, if nobody is harmed, there really isn't a case for fraud. But I agree with the other responder, I've also been in many startups and have certainly seen tons of exaggerations about the future but never outright lies about the present that Holmes was guilty of. Even worse, if you're going to lie about the present, you should at least have strong confidence your lie is physically possible - Theranos tech was always a sham from day 1. I just don't buy at all the "everyone in Silicon Valley does it" spiel, because if they did, investors of failed startups (i.e. the majority) would have tons of reasons to sue and put people in jail.