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> it is impossible to avoid a diet in western society that relies on high quantities of sugar as a lynchpin for mass produced food "Western society" as in the

by pier25 5y ago

> it is impossible to avoid a diet in western society that relies on high quantities of sugar as a lynchpin for mass produced food "Western society" as in the US and maybe the UK? Because in most other countries people do not rely on mass produced food to feed themselves.

ncmncm 5y ago
And India, Pakistan, Australia, Canada, Kenya, Nigeria. Mostly UK and its former colonies. But not exclusively. The public health debacle is worst in the US because the US federal government massively subsidizes production of sugar as a way to use up what of its (also massively subsidized) maize production is not forced on every kind of livestock, or exported. Ironically, regular corn sugar, dextrose, is relatively harmless. It becomes poison only via treatment with the enzyme that turns half of it to fructose.
- simplestats 5y ago
  The "common sense" about healthy eating in those countries is essentially the same as it has always been in the US, in my lifetime. Where a home-cooked meal is the only healthy option, and that those who consume processed/fast food are ignoring their health in favor of instant gratification (something that has never been seen as a good thing or even ok). The grocery store carries whole grain options like wheat bread (for many decades), butter vs margarine, and half an aisle of vitamins, because such healthy choices are very popular among people who care. If you ignore common knowledge about food, then just as with ignoring advice about exercise, maintaining your teeth, and many other things, you will probably suffer. Good health was never presumed to be the baseline regardless of what one ate, it always took persistence and impulse control. The question is why people are doing such a poor job at it now.
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    Still, in those countries, metabolic disorder ("fatty liver disease") is almost as common as in the US. But without the obesity, just the illness.
  - ncmncm 5y ago
    Judging from the skeletons they left, our hunter-gatherer ancestors were healthy without need to pay much attention to diet beyond doing their best to get enough. In particular, they had no difficulty getting enough fiber: there was plenty in everything. Our problem is that our whole food-industrial complex is devoted to stripping out and discarding the fiber we need. If 40% of Americans didn't brush their teeth or bathe, we would have a hygiene problem of a magnitude commensurate with our health problem.
    - simplestats 5y ago
      Roughly that percentage of people don't take sufficiently-good care of their teeth, yes. But brushing one's teeth (and bathing) is easier than resisting food cravings. The value of fiber (apart from keeping some nutrients indigistible and hence less calories for obese people who need to eat less) is still a matter of debate.
      - ncmncm 5y ago
        Except, it's not.

by pier25 5y ago

ncmncm 5y ago

And India, Pakistan, Australia, Canada, Kenya, Nigeria. Mostly UK and its former colonies. But not exclusively. The public health debacle is worst in the US because the US federal government massively subsidizes production of sugar as a way to use up what of its (also massively subsidized) maize production is not forced on every kind of livestock, or exported. Ironically, regular corn sugar, dextrose, is relatively harmless. It becomes poison only via treatment with the enzyme that turns half of it to fructose.

simplestats 5y ago
The "common sense" about healthy eating in those countries is essentially the same as it has always been in the US, in my lifetime. Where a home-cooked meal is the only healthy option, and that those who consume processed/fast food are ignoring their health in favor of instant gratification (something that has never been seen as a good thing or even ok). The grocery store carries whole grain options like wheat bread (for many decades), butter vs margarine, and half an aisle of vitamins, because such healthy choices are very popular among people who care. If you ignore common knowledge about food, then just as with ignoring advice about exercise, maintaining your teeth, and many other things, you will probably suffer. Good health was never presumed to be the baseline regardless of what one ate, it always took persistence and impulse control. The question is why people are doing such a poor job at it now.
- ncmncm 5y ago
  Still, in those countries, metabolic disorder ("fatty liver disease") is almost as common as in the US. But without the obesity, just the illness.
- ncmncm 5y ago
  Judging from the skeletons they left, our hunter-gatherer ancestors were healthy without need to pay much attention to diet beyond doing their best to get enough. In particular, they had no difficulty getting enough fiber: there was plenty in everything. Our problem is that our whole food-industrial complex is devoted to stripping out and discarding the fiber we need. If 40% of Americans didn't brush their teeth or bathe, we would have a hygiene problem of a magnitude commensurate with our health problem.
  - simplestats 5y ago
    Roughly that percentage of people don't take sufficiently-good care of their teeth, yes. But brushing one's teeth (and bathing) is easier than resisting food cravings. The value of fiber (apart from keeping some nutrients indigistible and hence less calories for obese people who need to eat less) is still a matter of debate.
    - ncmncm 5y ago
      Except, it's not.