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These are big wins! Some huge sums up there. How many years is she looking at?

by klohto 5y ago

NikolaeVarius 5y ago
20 years per count
- Symmetry 5y ago
  That's the maximum possible the judge could decide to give. It bears little relationship to what the federal sentencing guidelines will actually suggest or the judge will deliver. https://www.popehat.com/2013/02/05/crime-whale-sushi-sentence-eleventy-million-years/ https://www.popehat.com/2013/02/05/crime-whale-sushi-sentenc...
Ostrogodsky 5y ago
- beamatronic 5y ago
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  Racial and gender disparities are real, but against the 'rich' part in this case... In any case, she'll definitely do time. You're forgetting the victims in this case are not only also rich, but probably vastly better connected since they have yet to steal from their friends.
  - Ostrogodsky 5y ago
    > Racial and gender disparities are real, but against the 'rich' part in this case... Sorry I didnt understand what you meant here.
    - BobbyJo 5y ago
      Saying she'll get off because she's white, a woman, and rich is like saying your car stalled because your tires were low, you had groceries in the back seat, and your engine hadn't had its oil changed in 18 years. That make more sense? Edit: I'm saying being white and being a woman helps, but being rich helps such an astronomically huge amount more emphasizing anything else feels less like informing and more like baiting. Not sure how that wasn't crazy clear.
      - Ostrogodsky 5y ago
        No, I am more confused now. Are you saying white, rich people and women dont get preferential treatment in the US justice system?
    - zls 5y ago
      Reads to me like "being rich only helps if the people on the other side are materially less rich". edit: wow, reading gp's "clarification" below, I was way off
      - BobbyJo 5y ago
        You were correct. I made two separate points. You were true to the second, and I clarified the first below.
    - connicpu 5y ago
      That the fact she defrauded people richer than her will override any slight advantages her race or gender may have provided her in sentencing
paxys 5y ago
Technically 20 years per count, but realistically not too many. White collar crimes are anyways not punished very strictly, and she's a new mother on top of that. She'll negotiate a short term at some country club prison.
- hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
  There are really no "country club prisons" in the US anymore. Yes, there are minimum security prison camps for first time, non violent offenders, which seems entirely appropriate, but a day spa it aint.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
  - rrdharan 5y ago
    “What it’s really like inside ‘Club Fed’ prisons”: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2015/01/05/what-its-really-like-inside-club-fed-prisons/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2015/...
jcranmer 5y ago
I'm not an expert in US sentencing guidelines, but a quick crack at the sentencing guidelines calculator [1] suggests ~97-121 months, or about 8-10 years. [If you're not familiar with sentencing, the basic procedure is this: 1. Compute an 'offense level' for each count. For counts that are strongly related (which all of these likely are), combine by taking the maximum offense level. If they're not related, it's more complicated (not simply adding them up). 2. Compute a 'criminal history level'. For Holmes, that's basically "no criminal history." 3. Adjust for things like the convicted person's remorse or cooperation with investigators. 4. Look up a table that maps offense and criminal history to an actual sentencing range. 5. Adjust that (primarily, but not exclusively, in the previously output range) based on the judge's feelings.] [1] https://www.sentencing.us/ https://www.sentencing.us/

These are big wins! Some huge sums up there. How many years is she looking at?

by klohto 5y ago

These are big wins! Some huge sums up there. How many years is she looking at?

NikolaeVarius 5y ago

20 years per count

Symmetry 5y ago
That's the maximum possible the judge could decide to give. It bears little relationship to what the federal sentencing guidelines will actually suggest or the judge will deliver. https://www.popehat.com/2013/02/05/crime-whale-sushi-sentence-eleventy-million-years/ https://www.popehat.com/2013/02/05/crime-whale-sushi-sentenc...

Ostrogodsky 5y ago

beamatronic 5y ago
BobbyJo 5y ago
Racial and gender disparities are real, but against the 'rich' part in this case... In any case, she'll definitely do time. You're forgetting the victims in this case are not only also rich, but probably vastly better connected since they have yet to steal from their friends.
- Ostrogodsky 5y ago
  > Racial and gender disparities are real, but against the 'rich' part in this case... Sorry I didnt understand what you meant here.
  - BobbyJo 5y ago
    Saying she'll get off because she's white, a woman, and rich is like saying your car stalled because your tires were low, you had groceries in the back seat, and your engine hadn't had its oil changed in 18 years. That make more sense? Edit: I'm saying being white and being a woman helps, but being rich helps such an astronomically huge amount more emphasizing anything else feels less like informing and more like baiting. Not sure how that wasn't crazy clear.
    - Ostrogodsky 5y ago
      No, I am more confused now. Are you saying white, rich people and women dont get preferential treatment in the US justice system?
  - zls 5y ago
    Reads to me like "being rich only helps if the people on the other side are materially less rich". edit: wow, reading gp's "clarification" below, I was way off
    - BobbyJo 5y ago
      You were correct. I made two separate points. You were true to the second, and I clarified the first below.
  - connicpu 5y ago
    That the fact she defrauded people richer than her will override any slight advantages her race or gender may have provided her in sentencing

paxys 5y ago

Technically 20 years per count, but realistically not too many. White collar crimes are anyways not punished very strictly, and she's a new mother on top of that. She'll negotiate a short term at some country club prison.

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
There are really no "country club prisons" in the US anymore. Yes, there are minimum security prison camps for first time, non violent offenders, which seems entirely appropriate, but a day spa it aint.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- rrdharan 5y ago
  “What it’s really like inside ‘Club Fed’ prisons”: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2015/01/05/what-its-really-like-inside-club-fed-prisons/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2015/...

jcranmer 5y ago

I'm not an expert in US sentencing guidelines, but a quick crack at the sentencing guidelines calculator [1] suggests ~97-121 months, or about 8-10 years. [If you're not familiar with sentencing, the basic procedure is this: 1. Compute an 'offense level' for each count. For counts that are strongly related (which all of these likely are), combine by taking the maximum offense level. If they're not related, it's more complicated (not simply adding them up). 2. Compute a 'criminal history level'. For Holmes, that's basically "no criminal history." 3. Adjust for things like the convicted person's remorse or cooperation with investigators. 4. Look up a table that maps offense and criminal history to an actual sentencing range. 5. Adjust that (primarily, but not exclusively, in the previously output range) based on the judge's feelings.] [1] https://www.sentencing.us/ https://www.sentencing.us/