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Rand Paul quits YouTube in protest against censorship by Big Tech

garbagecoder 5y ago
Censorship? Lmao. If a restaurant kicks me out, they aren’t starving me. The internet is open. Make your own blog.
- Proven 5y ago
- majkinetor 5y ago
  Comparison is not valid. Its more like MC Donalds banned you in entire world and there is no other fast food available.
  - 8note 5y ago
    But Netflix and daily motion exist. Not to mention nebula and all kinds of media publishers. Not to mention YouPorn and the like that are all YouTube knockoffs with content YouTube doesn't allow
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      Netflix doesn't let regular people upload to it. And the rest of them combined are probably about 10% of YouTube's size, and network effects matter.
      - garbagecoder 5y ago
        You have no constitutional right to network effects or bandwidth. Pay for a server and no one can ban you like that. I would be 100% against it if they weren’t allowed to be on the net at all, but thats not this. Consider this: is google allowed to just shut off YouTube if they want? Or are they required to keep it up for ever so you can use it as a platform?
        robbedpeter 5y ago
        They're legally required to do their best to maintain operation and profit at as high a level is legally allowed. If employees or management try to turn it off, they get fired and replaced. YouTube is too big to fail, and heads would roll at Alphabet if there was a serious attempt to shut it down. Publicly traded companies serving as de facto public squares for hundreds of millions of people are a recent phenomena which societies are ill equipped to regulate. Let's hope things get better.
        josephcsible 5y ago
        If YouTube went away, then alternatives would suddenly get way more popular to fill the vacuum.
        Proven 5y ago
  - garbagecoder 5y ago
    It’s a simple matter of embedding videos in html5. You don’t even need JavaScript. You have no right to free bandwidth. And that’s still not starving you.
  - olliej 5y ago
    Except, if you're in a town that only has a McDonalds, and you violate the rules of being at said McDonalds, and McDonalds says you are not welcome here, then guess what? You aren't allowed in. Also: there's plenty of competition for posting videos, including doing it yourself. Your real argument is "I want them to be able to force YouTube to publish what a government official says, in spite of policy violations, because people only watch videos on YouTube". Which is clearly unconstitutional, but let's go with it. Should Fox News be required to provide whatever AOC tells them to broadcast, with no commentary disagreeing with her statements? After all, the people who watch Fox News only watch Fox News - you can't point to MSNBC, CNN, etc as the people who use Fox News only use Fox News. But of course not. The real issue is that these are politicians want to lie about a disease during a pandemic, promote homophobic, transphobic, anti-semitic, and generally awful content, and these platforms have policies that they very clearly that you don't get to class groups as untermensch and stay on their platform.
imchillyb 5y ago
Quitting is the wrong move. Proposing wide-sweeping legislation to force publishers to act like publishers and censor all content, or to leave content up to users and not censor anything. It's this duplicitous approach these companies use that is generating all of the controversy. It's time to propose a regulatory body and start censoring the internet publishers. It's time to propose a gross-revenue percentage fine for these mega-companies as well. We need to have companies that violate regulations fined with gross-revenue percentage fines. Something in the neighborhood of 10% of the average of past 5 years gross revenue, and the fine last for a minimum of a decade. The fines should be levied against the assets of a company, like a lien so that they cannot simply dissolve the company to avoid the fine. All assets would be attached by the fine, so the fines would /always/ be paid. Time to gut these mega-corps. Time to force them to comply with basic human decency standards. Time for them to pay the piper.
- deleted 5y ago
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- olliej 5y ago
  I agree entirely. Let's make sure Fox News is required to broadcast anything AOC wants them to, and make sure they aren't allowed to provide any commentary or disagreement, right?
lelandfe 5y ago
Original oped from Rand Paul: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/my-new-years-resolution-im-quitting-youtube https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/my-new-yea... > Any time I state that cloth masks do not stop the virus from spreading, as in this Denmark study, Florida school comparison, and Vietnamese study, YouTube deletes the video Worth pointing out that the Vietnamese study indicated that surgical masks were actually quite effective, and that the Denmark study didn't actually focus on cloth masks whatsoever.
- joe_guy 5y ago
  He does seem to be working as a bad actor. If he was looking to spread good information he would talk about what _does_ work. His statement "I state that cloth masks do not stop the virus from spreading" is too absolute. I only read the Vietnamese study's summary, but it concluded medical masks were more effective, not that "cloth masks do not stop the virus from spreading." All this said, n95s are widely available now and should be worn. Thank you for the link and context.
  - joe_guy 5y ago
    I tried to read the Florida school one but there's nothing to read? Leftists hellbent on forcibly masking... It's a biased article that uses a press release from DeSantis press secretary. There's no data to look at. This isnt what science is lol As usual, the hard data supports sanity and normalcy not just in America's schools, but for everyone else as well. Ya... this isnt about science, this is about fanning the flames of an imagined culture war.
- hammyhavoc 5y ago
  As a Brit, I'm glad I don't know who Rand Paul is.
footlose_3815 5y ago
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butterisgood 5y ago
Good.
tatrajim 5y ago
Good. We don't need any deviation from the truth.

Censorship? Lmao. If a restaurant kicks me out, they aren’t starving me. The internet is open. Make your own blog.

Proven 5y ago
majkinetor 5y ago
Comparison is not valid. Its more like MC Donalds banned you in entire world and there is no other fast food available.
- 8note 5y ago
  But Netflix and daily motion exist. Not to mention nebula and all kinds of media publishers. Not to mention YouPorn and the like that are all YouTube knockoffs with content YouTube doesn't allow
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Netflix doesn't let regular people upload to it. And the rest of them combined are probably about 10% of YouTube's size, and network effects matter.
    - garbagecoder 5y ago
      You have no constitutional right to network effects or bandwidth. Pay for a server and no one can ban you like that. I would be 100% against it if they weren’t allowed to be on the net at all, but thats not this. Consider this: is google allowed to just shut off YouTube if they want? Or are they required to keep it up for ever so you can use it as a platform?
      - robbedpeter 5y ago
        They're legally required to do their best to maintain operation and profit at as high a level is legally allowed. If employees or management try to turn it off, they get fired and replaced. YouTube is too big to fail, and heads would roll at Alphabet if there was a serious attempt to shut it down. Publicly traded companies serving as de facto public squares for hundreds of millions of people are a recent phenomena which societies are ill equipped to regulate. Let's hope things get better.
      - josephcsible 5y ago
        If YouTube went away, then alternatives would suddenly get way more popular to fill the vacuum.
        Proven 5y ago
- garbagecoder 5y ago
  It’s a simple matter of embedding videos in html5. You don’t even need JavaScript. You have no right to free bandwidth. And that’s still not starving you.
- olliej 5y ago
  Except, if you're in a town that only has a McDonalds, and you violate the rules of being at said McDonalds, and McDonalds says you are not welcome here, then guess what? You aren't allowed in. Also: there's plenty of competition for posting videos, including doing it yourself. Your real argument is "I want them to be able to force YouTube to publish what a government official says, in spite of policy violations, because people only watch videos on YouTube". Which is clearly unconstitutional, but let's go with it. Should Fox News be required to provide whatever AOC tells them to broadcast, with no commentary disagreeing with her statements? After all, the people who watch Fox News only watch Fox News - you can't point to MSNBC, CNN, etc as the people who use Fox News only use Fox News. But of course not. The real issue is that these are politicians want to lie about a disease during a pandemic, promote homophobic, transphobic, anti-semitic, and generally awful content, and these platforms have policies that they very clearly that you don't get to class groups as untermensch and stay on their platform.

Quitting is the wrong move. Proposing wide-sweeping legislation to force publishers to act like publishers and censor all content, or to leave content up to users and not censor anything. It's this duplicitous approach these companies use that is generating all of the controversy. It's time to propose a regulatory body and start censoring the internet publishers. It's time to propose a gross-revenue percentage fine for these mega-companies as well. We need to have companies that violate regulations fined with gross-revenue percentage fines. Something in the neighborhood of 10% of the average of past 5 years gross revenue, and the fine last for a minimum of a decade. The fines should be levied against the assets of a company, like a lien so that they cannot simply dissolve the company to avoid the fine. All assets would be attached by the fine, so the fines would /always/ be paid. Time to gut these mega-corps. Time to force them to comply with basic human decency standards. Time for them to pay the piper.

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olliej 5y ago
I agree entirely. Let's make sure Fox News is required to broadcast anything AOC wants them to, and make sure they aren't allowed to provide any commentary or disagreement, right?

lelandfe 5y ago

Original oped from Rand Paul: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/my-new-years-resolution-im-quitting-youtube https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/my-new-yea... > Any time I state that cloth masks do not stop the virus from spreading, as in this Denmark study, Florida school comparison, and Vietnamese study, YouTube deletes the video Worth pointing out that the Vietnamese study indicated that surgical masks were actually quite effective, and that the Denmark study didn't actually focus on cloth masks whatsoever.

joe_guy 5y ago
He does seem to be working as a bad actor. If he was looking to spread good information he would talk about what _does_ work. His statement "I state that cloth masks do not stop the virus from spreading" is too absolute. I only read the Vietnamese study's summary, but it concluded medical masks were more effective, not that "cloth masks do not stop the virus from spreading." All this said, n95s are widely available now and should be worn. Thank you for the link and context.
- joe_guy 5y ago
  I tried to read the Florida school one but there's nothing to read? Leftists hellbent on forcibly masking... It's a biased article that uses a press release from DeSantis press secretary. There's no data to look at. This isnt what science is lol As usual, the hard data supports sanity and normalcy not just in America's schools, but for everyone else as well. Ya... this isnt about science, this is about fanning the flames of an imagined culture war.
hammyhavoc 5y ago
As a Brit, I'm glad I don't know who Rand Paul is.

footlose_3815 5y ago

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butterisgood 5y ago

Good.

tatrajim 5y ago

Good. We don't need any deviation from the truth.