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Ivermectin is not horse dewormer, characterizing it as such is just lazy propaganda. It's primarily human dewormer. The whole idea of it being a house dewormer

Ivermectin is not horse dewormer, characterizing it as such is just lazy propaganda. It's primarily human dewormer. The whole idea of it being a house dewormer came about because the medicine intended for human use sold out around the initial hype, and desperate people bought the doses intended for animals instead.

tibbydudeza 5y ago
So horse paste then - and it is still idiotic to use it as a Covid treatment.
- cmallp 5y ago
  Rogan had a prescription for the human version, please do your research.
  - 8note 5y ago
    He probably had worms
  - tibbydudeza 5y ago
    Well I have done enough "research" to tell the difference between an intestinal worm and a virus.
    - e9 5y ago
      Many medicines have multiple uses that are not at all related. For example, Botox is used for stretching old skin to look nice but also used to treat migraines. Ketamine is horse tranquilizer but is also used to treat depression, etc
      - thedailymail 5y ago
        Minor nitpick: Botox doesn't stretch skin, it relaxes facial muscles that cause a "wrinkled" appearance.
        e9 5y ago
        thanks for the correction
    - ekianjo 5y ago
      Ivermectin is not only used for deworming. Low information comment.
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      - parasighted 5y ago
        (...much like your comment) It's an anti-parasitic medication. Doses much higher than the maximum approved or safely achievable for use in humans would be required for an antiviral effect. Research failed to confirm the utility of Ivermectin for treating COVID-19. [1] Much of the research indicating otherwise was fraudulent or misleading. [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8406455/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8406455/ https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809
        torstenvl 5y ago
        Statement #1: "Lol idiots this is horse dewormer!" Statement #2: "This suggested treatment does not have the desired effect in clinical trials. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8406455/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8406455/" Can you agree that those are entirely different statements? And that one is trolling while the other is informative?
        parasighted 5y ago
        There's no substantial evidence that Ivermectin effectively treats COVID-19 in humans, or that it should be taken as an alternative to being vaccinated. A worm is a parasite (which Ivermectin effectively treats). A parasite (in this sense) is not a virus. Ivermectin does not treat the COVID-19 virus. The GP was glib and insulting but not entirely off base.
        tibbydudeza 5y ago
        1 infers 2.
- yucky 5y ago
  I don't know much about ivermectin (could be useless, don't know or care), but your framing makes as much sense as saying people think injecting mold in their butt will cure syphilis.
unethical_ban 5y ago
It's lazy, but from what I have heard from people I trust (which itself is lazy, since I haven't searched journal articles) is that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that Ivermectin is a useful therapeutic for covid infection. You are correct that the "horse dewormer" meme was due to desperate people buying industrial amounts, not human amounts, from vet supply shops. It's worth mocking because these people are desperately avoiding mainstream medical advice per se.
- iszomer 5y ago
  And to think a comedy show framed it better than their mainstream counterparts.. Here's Jimmy Dore's [1] segment referencing a WaPo article [2] and Dr. John Campbell's [3] analysis on why "Japan is doing better" because of this stupid "horse dewormer" narrative. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S5YG7X52PE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S5YG7X52PE [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/japan-covid-omicron-falling-cases/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/japan-covid-... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1GF0H9V_1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1GF0H9V_1g
8note 5y ago
The best thing would be to just call it a dewormer
weare138 5y ago
If you got it from your doctor it's for humans. If you're eating out of a tube that say it's for horses with a picture of a horse on it then you're eating horse dewormer paste. If you don't want people saying you're eating horse dewormer go to your damn doctor.
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tibbydudeza 5y ago

So horse paste then - and it is still idiotic to use it as a Covid treatment.

cmallp 5y ago
Rogan had a prescription for the human version, please do your research.
- 8note 5y ago
  He probably had worms
- tibbydudeza 5y ago
  Well I have done enough "research" to tell the difference between an intestinal worm and a virus.
  - e9 5y ago
    Many medicines have multiple uses that are not at all related. For example, Botox is used for stretching old skin to look nice but also used to treat migraines. Ketamine is horse tranquilizer but is also used to treat depression, etc
    - thedailymail 5y ago
      Minor nitpick: Botox doesn't stretch skin, it relaxes facial muscles that cause a "wrinkled" appearance.
      - e9 5y ago
        thanks for the correction
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    Ivermectin is not only used for deworming. Low information comment.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - parasighted 5y ago
      (...much like your comment) It's an anti-parasitic medication. Doses much higher than the maximum approved or safely achievable for use in humans would be required for an antiviral effect. Research failed to confirm the utility of Ivermectin for treating COVID-19. [1] Much of the research indicating otherwise was fraudulent or misleading. [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8406455/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8406455/ https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809
      - torstenvl 5y ago
        Statement #1: "Lol idiots this is horse dewormer!" Statement #2: "This suggested treatment does not have the desired effect in clinical trials. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8406455/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8406455/" Can you agree that those are entirely different statements? And that one is trolling while the other is informative?
        parasighted 5y ago
        There's no substantial evidence that Ivermectin effectively treats COVID-19 in humans, or that it should be taken as an alternative to being vaccinated. A worm is a parasite (which Ivermectin effectively treats). A parasite (in this sense) is not a virus. Ivermectin does not treat the COVID-19 virus. The GP was glib and insulting but not entirely off base.
        tibbydudeza 5y ago
        1 infers 2.
yucky 5y ago
I don't know much about ivermectin (could be useless, don't know or care), but your framing makes as much sense as saying people think injecting mold in their butt will cure syphilis.

unethical_ban 5y ago

It's lazy, but from what I have heard from people I trust (which itself is lazy, since I haven't searched journal articles) is that there is absolutely no scientific evidence that Ivermectin is a useful therapeutic for covid infection. You are correct that the "horse dewormer" meme was due to desperate people buying industrial amounts, not human amounts, from vet supply shops. It's worth mocking because these people are desperately avoiding mainstream medical advice per se.

iszomer 5y ago
And to think a comedy show framed it better than their mainstream counterparts.. Here's Jimmy Dore's [1] segment referencing a WaPo article [2] and Dr. John Campbell's [3] analysis on why "Japan is doing better" because of this stupid "horse dewormer" narrative. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S5YG7X52PE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S5YG7X52PE [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/japan-covid-omicron-falling-cases/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/japan-covid-... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1GF0H9V_1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1GF0H9V_1g

8note 5y ago

The best thing would be to just call it a dewormer

weare138 5y ago

If you got it from your doctor it's for humans. If you're eating out of a tube that say it's for horses with a picture of a horse on it then you're eating horse dewormer paste. If you don't want people saying you're eating horse dewormer go to your damn doctor.

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shard972 5y ago