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I don't know who you are referring to with "you". Probably it is a similar set of people I dislike - Capital class trying to maximize returns for themselves whi

I don't know who you are referring to with "you". Probably it is a similar set of people I dislike - Capital class trying to maximize returns for themselves while destroying stable communities. > I'm fine destroying well-paying jobs in order to work remotely. I am sorry for whatever life experiences you have had which brought you to this conclusion.

drakonka 5y ago
Aren't you trying to maximize returns for yourself when you take issue with companies hiring employees outside of your immediate vicinity? As one of those remote workers, in my opinion you'd be better off campaigning against location-based pay rather than remote work.
- RestlessMind 5y ago
  > you'd be better off campaigning against location-based pay rather than remote work. If there is no location-based pay and everyone across the globe has the same wages, I am afraid I will be paid far less instead of someone in the developing world being paid far more. Keep in mind that the labor pool will come from all over the world and not only from the US. If you are a remote worker in Mexico or Pakistan, it is totally rational for you to root for that outcome. However, if you are a remote worker in the US, think again. Here are some salaries from around the world and they will be your benchmark, not SV salaries: https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Berlin-Germany/ https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Berlin-Ger... https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Bangalore-India/ https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Bangalore-... https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Singapore/ https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Singapore/ For comparison: https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/San-Francisco-Bay-Area/ https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/San-Franci...
hiptobecubic 5y ago
Tldr we are paid well because there is a lot of demand. Thanks to the disaster that was 2000-era outsourcing, there was the mistaken belief that supply is fundamentally limited to local offices. The pandemic has revealed that this is not true, so effective supply has exploded. I expect that the glory days of making hundreds of thousands of USD per year as a bit-laying chicken in an enterprise software farm are likely over. This is good for "remote" workers, superb for the capital class and horrible for us. It feels to me like we are the factory workers of the 1960s and are about to go through a similar explosion. I feel bad for the kids studying CS and information systems now and dreaming of.. basically my job today.

drakonka 5y ago

Aren't you trying to maximize returns for yourself when you take issue with companies hiring employees outside of your immediate vicinity? As one of those remote workers, in my opinion you'd be better off campaigning against location-based pay rather than remote work.

RestlessMind 5y ago
> you'd be better off campaigning against location-based pay rather than remote work. If there is no location-based pay and everyone across the globe has the same wages, I am afraid I will be paid far less instead of someone in the developing world being paid far more. Keep in mind that the labor pool will come from all over the world and not only from the US. If you are a remote worker in Mexico or Pakistan, it is totally rational for you to root for that outcome. However, if you are a remote worker in the US, think again. Here are some salaries from around the world and they will be your benchmark, not SV salaries: https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Berlin-Germany/ https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Berlin-Ger... https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Bangalore-India/ https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Bangalore-... https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Singapore/ https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Singapore/ For comparison: https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/San-Francisco-Bay-Area/ https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/San-Franci...

hiptobecubic 5y ago

Tldr we are paid well because there is a lot of demand. Thanks to the disaster that was 2000-era outsourcing, there was the mistaken belief that supply is fundamentally limited to local offices. The pandemic has revealed that this is not true, so effective supply has exploded. I expect that the glory days of making hundreds of thousands of USD per year as a bit-laying chicken in an enterprise software farm are likely over. This is good for "remote" workers, superb for the capital class and horrible for us. It feels to me like we are the factory workers of the 1960s and are about to go through a similar explosion. I feel bad for the kids studying CS and information systems now and dreaming of.. basically my job today.