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Left and liberal do not mean the same thing. Basically all of my blue or red friends agree with the principles of Liberalism, which brought us the enlightenment

Left and liberal do not mean the same thing. Basically all of my blue or red friends agree with the principles of Liberalism, which brought us the enlightenment and [modern] civilization. You can ask your own friends, here's a definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism (quote below) In terms of numbers, about 8% of the US population is.. left. 25% is traditional conservative. And the other 67% is regular folks who in fact agree on most policy questions From Wikipedia: > Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), democracy, secularism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion and a market economy

bambax 5y ago
> Liberalism, which brought us the enlightenment and civilization itself Civilization predates liberalism by about 7,000 years.
pessimizer 5y ago
Over the past ten years, there's been a weird collaboration between centrists and right-wingers to define not being a bigot as being left-wing and being a bigot as being right-wing. So corporate PR has transformed huge employers and the finance industry into left-wingers, and when right-wingers complain about being silenced, they're specifically talking about being censored about race and gender. This creates the false drama. Instead, what the US has is two liberal parties, one trying to also appeal to a base of evangelical whites and the other trying to appeal to people who aren't white. Both are trying to pass the same liberal policies, policies that I hope you aren't trying to associate with some 67% silent majority. 67% of people aren't against antitrust enforcement or free health care.
- paulsutter 5y ago
  Not trying to associate any specific issues, just pointing out the surprisingly broad appeal of Liberalism as defined. Really an eye-opener the responses I got sharing that with folks. Yes both parties have a bizarre set of priorities, conveniently avoiding the really important questions (like the two you raise)

bambax 5y ago

> Liberalism, which brought us the enlightenment and civilization itself Civilization predates liberalism by about 7,000 years.

pessimizer 5y ago

Over the past ten years, there's been a weird collaboration between centrists and right-wingers to define not being a bigot as being left-wing and being a bigot as being right-wing. So corporate PR has transformed huge employers and the finance industry into left-wingers, and when right-wingers complain about being silenced, they're specifically talking about being censored about race and gender. This creates the false drama. Instead, what the US has is two liberal parties, one trying to also appeal to a base of evangelical whites and the other trying to appeal to people who aren't white. Both are trying to pass the same liberal policies, policies that I hope you aren't trying to associate with some 67% silent majority. 67% of people aren't against antitrust enforcement or free health care.

paulsutter 5y ago
Not trying to associate any specific issues, just pointing out the surprisingly broad appeal of Liberalism as defined. Really an eye-opener the responses I got sharing that with folks. Yes both parties have a bizarre set of priorities, conveniently avoiding the really important questions (like the two you raise)