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> Eh, people can either decide to live an unaffordable hell holes or not. People live in these places because that's where the jobs are. You can move to a 'che

> Eh, people can either decide to live an unaffordable hell holes or not. People live in these places because that's where the jobs are. You can move to a 'cheap' city, but you'll find that it's cheap because the pay is equally cheap. The bigger problem is that the landowning class is viciously extracting far more wealth from the populace than is warranted by the service they provide, and using that wealth to lobby to prevent competition that would reduce the rents they extract.

999900000999 5y ago
>People live in these places because that's where the jobs are. You can move to a 'cheap' city, but you'll find that it's cheap because the pay is equally cheap. I was making just as much in Chicago as I was in LA, and my rent was about 50% less, and I didn't need a car. This was in a much more desirable area where I could do all of my grocery shopping, hit several bars, and generally socialize ( met my first real girlfriend in real life) without driving. >The bigger problem is that the landowning class is viciously extracting far more wealth from the populace than is warranted by the service they provide, and using that wealth to lobby to prevent competition that would reduce the rents they extract. The competition is the rest of America, you can find a $1,500 two-bedroom in Chicago because several other landlords have to compete. If you mentally trap yourself in a place like LA, then sure two bedrooms start at $2,800 and there's nothing you can do. Sure, you can hop on Twitter and complain. Your rent is still 2,800. Aside from a full-blown communist revolution, I don't see a way to make a place like LA affordable for normal people
- mullingitover 5y ago
  > The competition is the rest of America, you can find a $1,500 two-bedroom in Chicago because several other landlords have to compete. Not many places can compete with southern California's mild climate. Yes, Chicago is cheaper, but it also has ~100 fewer days of sun per year, and the mental trap of living in LA is matched by the literal trap of Chicago's weather forcing you indoors for a full third of the year.
  - 999900000999 5y ago
    Why are you complaining about landlords then ? If your willing to pay 2800+ so you can visit Venice Beach once a day, that's your choice. America is a very big country with tons of affordable places to live. I do have sympathy for people trapped in LA, for example, if you share custody with your ex, you can't really just move. This doesn't change the facts on the ground.
    - mullingitover 5y ago
      There are good reasons for southern California to be more expensive than other parts of the country, and housing is too expensive. Both these things can be true! Housing is too expensive in Chicago, too, for that matter. My point is the 'affordable' places to live aren't necessarily all that affordable when you factor in all the other variables.
colinmhayes 5y ago
People with jobs generally aren't homeless. They may be in the short run, but long term homeless is almost exclusively among people without stable jobs.

999900000999 5y ago

>People live in these places because that's where the jobs are. You can move to a 'cheap' city, but you'll find that it's cheap because the pay is equally cheap. I was making just as much in Chicago as I was in LA, and my rent was about 50% less, and I didn't need a car. This was in a much more desirable area where I could do all of my grocery shopping, hit several bars, and generally socialize ( met my first real girlfriend in real life) without driving. >The bigger problem is that the landowning class is viciously extracting far more wealth from the populace than is warranted by the service they provide, and using that wealth to lobby to prevent competition that would reduce the rents they extract. The competition is the rest of America, you can find a $1,500 two-bedroom in Chicago because several other landlords have to compete. If you mentally trap yourself in a place like LA, then sure two bedrooms start at $2,800 and there's nothing you can do. Sure, you can hop on Twitter and complain. Your rent is still 2,800. Aside from a full-blown communist revolution, I don't see a way to make a place like LA affordable for normal people

mullingitover 5y ago
> The competition is the rest of America, you can find a $1,500 two-bedroom in Chicago because several other landlords have to compete. Not many places can compete with southern California's mild climate. Yes, Chicago is cheaper, but it also has ~100 fewer days of sun per year, and the mental trap of living in LA is matched by the literal trap of Chicago's weather forcing you indoors for a full third of the year.
- 999900000999 5y ago
  Why are you complaining about landlords then ? If your willing to pay 2800+ so you can visit Venice Beach once a day, that's your choice. America is a very big country with tons of affordable places to live. I do have sympathy for people trapped in LA, for example, if you share custody with your ex, you can't really just move. This doesn't change the facts on the ground.
  - mullingitover 5y ago
    There are good reasons for southern California to be more expensive than other parts of the country, and housing is too expensive. Both these things can be true! Housing is too expensive in Chicago, too, for that matter. My point is the 'affordable' places to live aren't necessarily all that affordable when you factor in all the other variables.

colinmhayes 5y ago

People with jobs generally aren't homeless. They may be in the short run, but long term homeless is almost exclusively among people without stable jobs.