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I don't know much about this guy, other than my conspiracy-laden mother citing him as reason enough to not take a vaccine. Along with the vaccine giving you the

I don't know much about this guy, other than my conspiracy-laden mother citing him as reason enough to not take a vaccine. Along with the vaccine giving you the virus, it being dangerous, and so on. She's a polio survivor former alcoholic who has smoked a pack a day for most of the past 40 years - the hypocrisy and blindness hurts me. So I'm inclined, without knowing more, to say this man is at the least an unwilling tool of antivax conspirators. Does that mean it's right to ban him from social media? It was one thing to ban a treasonous president for fomenting an insurrection at the Capitol. It's another to ban scientists who invoke Godwin's law on a discussion regarding vaccine mandates. Suspending public figures should be a matter of emergency and dire consequence, not a habit. Even if I understand the "private website" perspective, and believe individual websites have a lot of legal leeway to ban as they wish, bans like this will have a backlash effect. Victim-complex people will cry out, and slippery-slope people will cry out. At least the man can still have a personal website if people wish to listen to him - he is still more accessible today than most people in the world were just 20 years ago.

mattcwilson 5y ago
+1 on the backlash of bans. Funny enough, that's why Dr. Malone isn't against vaccines at all, he's against mandates. (and vaccinating kids, specifically.) I'm also not at all convinced he's the one invoking Godwin's law. If you have 5 minutes, check out the relevant section of the interview: https://odysee.com/@altmedia96:2/dr-robert-malone-joe-rogan-experience-1093:e?t=9929 https://odysee.com/@altmedia96:2/dr-robert-malone-joe-rogan-...
jebronie 5y ago
- unethical_ban 5y ago
  Trying to find and capture politicians during the process of certifying a national election in the United States is rebellion, not protest. The people who did that may have thought they were saving the country from a stolen election, but they were on the wrong side of history and reality. None of the college students in your videos were trying to murder the prime minister or bash law enforcement in the head with a fire extinguisher. To make this reply relevant to the discussion, my point is that the incumbent loser of an election told lies in order to rally his followers to violent protest/riot. That is a rare example of a justified ban from all social media for a public figure.
  - jebronie 5y ago
    If you honestly think the protestors tried to overthrow the government, how come not one of them brought an assault rifle along and the large majority was totally unarmed? Worst coup attempt ever. How did Trump rally the protesters when he explicitly told them to stay peaceful before and after they walked into the capitol building?
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    - unethical_ban 5y ago
      Fallacy of armed plot being required to destabilize (or otherwise drastically change) civil society. Fallacy of someone literally saying "don't be hostile" while lying to an angry crowd about something so enraging to their beliefs that it is incredibly likely they will become hostile.
      - jebronie 5y ago
  - jebronie 5y ago
    - unethical_ban 5y ago
      Fallacy of whatabout: me giving a damn about Merkel when I'm talking about Trump.
      - jebronie 5y ago
        Fallacy of misapplying Whataboutism-Fallacy.
    - edmundsauto 5y ago
      Just because they weren't armed doesn't mean it wasn't an insurrection. Republican leadership (McConnell) have used that term to describe it. They disrupted an important session to say something they thought was important, bringing tactical gear that would not be appropriate for a protest. What exactly were they protesting, while milling about in the Capitol building with several in-groups looking for political leaders to capture? Oh, right - they were protesting a free and fair election that they lost. Their evidence was 100% baseless conspiracy theories - except in the rare case when fraud was found, it was found to be fraud in favor of their ticket (and extraordinarily limited in scope). JFC, if you can't see that 6Jan was a bad thing for democracy, I don't think there's much more to discuss. I, for one, am excited for every day those assholes spend in prison and believe their coordination should be used as evidence of a coordinated attack on the US' legitimately elected government.
- decebalus1 5y ago
  Mitch McConnell: "This failed insurrection only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our republic. Our nation was founded precisely so that the free choice of the American people is what shapes our self-government and determines the destiny of our nation – not fear, not force, but the peaceful expression of the popular will." Clearly Mitch is a CNN plant... So is Kelly Meggs (of Proud Boys notoriety): “Then wait for the 6th when we are all in DC to insurrection”
skyde 5y ago
I think you are 100% correct he can have his own website with podcast and video on it. He just can’t use private social network when he break their term. It’s the same as trying to post porn on facebook. They are not tumblr and will not allow it.
brodouevencode 5y ago
> I don't know much about this guy, other than my conspiracy-laden mother citing him as reason enough to not take a vaccine. A broken clock is correct twice a day. Don't disregard a perspective based on the channel.
- bloqs 5y ago
  This is a fallacy I see a lot. The saying may relate to a clock, but it doesn't apply to human being. People who have psychotic tendences will display remarkably consistent wrongness. Why would a person who is broken be right ever? Because a specifically broken type of clock is?
  - serf 5y ago
    >Why would a person who is broken be right ever? Because a specifically broken type of clock is? because even those with psychotic tendencies tend to express them with a level of consistency. Example : A paranoid schizophrenic may tell everyone that he's being followed habitually, but that doesn't mean he's wrong -- in fact in some cases the (three letter agencies) may use this trait to their advantage.[0] [0]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-fbi-knew-oklahoma-bomb-plot-suspect-is-schizophrenic/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-fbi-knew-oklahoma-bomb-p...
  - brodouevencode 5y ago
    How is it a fallacy? Just because someone (and we are really talking about a person here so please excuse the naive analogy) has a questionable past doesn't mean that what they are currently saying is incorrect.
landemva 5y ago
After she recovered from polio did she then get the polio vaccine?

mattcwilson 5y ago

+1 on the backlash of bans. Funny enough, that's why Dr. Malone isn't against vaccines at all, he's against mandates. (and vaccinating kids, specifically.) I'm also not at all convinced he's the one invoking Godwin's law. If you have 5 minutes, check out the relevant section of the interview: https://odysee.com/@altmedia96:2/dr-robert-malone-joe-rogan-experience-1093:e?t=9929 https://odysee.com/@altmedia96:2/dr-robert-malone-joe-rogan-...

jebronie 5y ago

unethical_ban 5y ago
Trying to find and capture politicians during the process of certifying a national election in the United States is rebellion, not protest. The people who did that may have thought they were saving the country from a stolen election, but they were on the wrong side of history and reality. None of the college students in your videos were trying to murder the prime minister or bash law enforcement in the head with a fire extinguisher. To make this reply relevant to the discussion, my point is that the incumbent loser of an election told lies in order to rally his followers to violent protest/riot. That is a rare example of a justified ban from all social media for a public figure.
- jebronie 5y ago
  If you honestly think the protestors tried to overthrow the government, how come not one of them brought an assault rifle along and the large majority was totally unarmed? Worst coup attempt ever. How did Trump rally the protesters when he explicitly told them to stay peaceful before and after they walked into the capitol building?
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - unethical_ban 5y ago
    Fallacy of armed plot being required to destabilize (or otherwise drastically change) civil society. Fallacy of someone literally saying "don't be hostile" while lying to an angry crowd about something so enraging to their beliefs that it is incredibly likely they will become hostile.
    - jebronie 5y ago
- jebronie 5y ago
  - unethical_ban 5y ago
    Fallacy of whatabout: me giving a damn about Merkel when I'm talking about Trump.
    - jebronie 5y ago
      Fallacy of misapplying Whataboutism-Fallacy.
  - edmundsauto 5y ago
    Just because they weren't armed doesn't mean it wasn't an insurrection. Republican leadership (McConnell) have used that term to describe it. They disrupted an important session to say something they thought was important, bringing tactical gear that would not be appropriate for a protest. What exactly were they protesting, while milling about in the Capitol building with several in-groups looking for political leaders to capture? Oh, right - they were protesting a free and fair election that they lost. Their evidence was 100% baseless conspiracy theories - except in the rare case when fraud was found, it was found to be fraud in favor of their ticket (and extraordinarily limited in scope). JFC, if you can't see that 6Jan was a bad thing for democracy, I don't think there's much more to discuss. I, for one, am excited for every day those assholes spend in prison and believe their coordination should be used as evidence of a coordinated attack on the US' legitimately elected government.
decebalus1 5y ago
Mitch McConnell: "This failed insurrection only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our republic. Our nation was founded precisely so that the free choice of the American people is what shapes our self-government and determines the destiny of our nation – not fear, not force, but the peaceful expression of the popular will." Clearly Mitch is a CNN plant... So is Kelly Meggs (of Proud Boys notoriety): “Then wait for the 6th when we are all in DC to insurrection”

skyde 5y ago

I think you are 100% correct he can have his own website with podcast and video on it. He just can’t use private social network when he break their term. It’s the same as trying to post porn on facebook. They are not tumblr and will not allow it.

brodouevencode 5y ago

> I don't know much about this guy, other than my conspiracy-laden mother citing him as reason enough to not take a vaccine. A broken clock is correct twice a day. Don't disregard a perspective based on the channel.

bloqs 5y ago
This is a fallacy I see a lot. The saying may relate to a clock, but it doesn't apply to human being. People who have psychotic tendences will display remarkably consistent wrongness. Why would a person who is broken be right ever? Because a specifically broken type of clock is?
- serf 5y ago
  >Why would a person who is broken be right ever? Because a specifically broken type of clock is? because even those with psychotic tendencies tend to express them with a level of consistency. Example : A paranoid schizophrenic may tell everyone that he's being followed habitually, but that doesn't mean he's wrong -- in fact in some cases the (three letter agencies) may use this trait to their advantage.[0] [0]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-fbi-knew-oklahoma-bomb-plot-suspect-is-schizophrenic/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-fbi-knew-oklahoma-bomb-p...
- brodouevencode 5y ago
  How is it a fallacy? Just because someone (and we are really talking about a person here so please excuse the naive analogy) has a questionable past doesn't mean that what they are currently saying is incorrect.

landemva 5y ago

After she recovered from polio did she then get the polio vaccine?