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To add other info on relative outcomes: > During March 2020–January 2021, patients with COVID-19 had nearly 16 times the risk for myocarditis compared with pat

• megous 5y ago
  And how exactly is this hospital visiting covid diagnosed demographic comparable to complications in a normal healthy people receiving vaccine against covid?
• 0-_-0 5y ago
  How about only young men, since that's what's the title is about?
  • dham 5y ago
    • phonypc 5y ago
      The numbers in that tweet are based on this (pre-print) paper which reports a higher rate than the CDC does, and doesn't give a figure for Moderna specifically, so doesn't really work as a source for that "known fact" if that was your intent. I don't see how body mass and aspiration can possibly explain the presentation of vaccine associated myocarditis we're seeing. i.e. increased incidence in pubescent boys and young men. They should tend towards lower body mass than older men, and the people administering vaccines don't aspirate in general, not just for some demographics. This demographic is just generally more susceptible to myocarditis from any cause.
      • dham 5y ago
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_df67JdhGB8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_df67JdhGB8
        • pcwalton 5y ago
          It should be noted, of course, that Vinay Prasad is a hematologist and oncologist (not a specialist in infectious disease) most well known as of late for comparing US public health restrictions to Nazi Germany [1]. Needless to say, he's not exactly representative of medical consensus. [1]: https://cancerletter.com/the-cancer-letter/20211008_4/ https://cancerletter.com/the-cancer-letter/20211008_4/
          • dham 5y ago
            I was just posting the video to respond to the parent on why the CDC number is lower than the paper. The video goes over that.
          • xcally 5y ago
            Nazi comparisons were entirely common during Trump's presidency and no one cared: https://nypost.com/2021/05/28/suddenly-democrats-are-offended-by-nazi-analogies/ https://nypost.com/2021/05/28/suddenly-democrats-are-offende...
            • adamrezich 5y ago
              yeah Godwin's Law was suspended for about four years there only to be reinstated immediately thereafter
            • pcwalton 5y ago
              We're not talking about Donald Trump.
          • Py-o7 5y ago
            Better is to actually read what VP wrote (one could start 3 paragraphs before the 7 bullet points) : https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/how-democracy-ends https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/how-democracy-ends The piece is a hypothetical about what happens when pluralism / democratic institutions decline and how opportunists/authoritarians could exploit this. The reference to Nazi Germany was not at all about current US public health restrictions or policy. If you actually read it, this becomes clear. (Given that Germany had essentially no pluralism or democratic traditions entering the 1920s I don't think the comparison is great but oh well.) It is true that VP is an oncologist not an ID doc. But he is also a professor of epidemiology and biostats at UCSF, perhaps the top med school in the US. This means he is vastly more quantitatively savvy than most public health officials or commentators.
• bko 5y ago
  From the paper: > During March 2020–January 2021, the risk for myocarditis was 0.146% among patients with COVID-19 and 0.009% among patients without COVID-19. Among patients with COVID-19, the risk for myocarditis was higher among males (0.187%) than among females (0.109%) and was highest among adults aged ≥75 years (0.238%), 65–74 years (0.186%), and 50–64 years (0.155%) and among children aged <16 years (0.133%) I don't get these numbers because the other original paper says the rate is 95.4 per million or 0.00954%, but that's well below the risk with or without COVID-19. > We estimated a risk of 95.4 cases of myopericarditis per million second doses administered in patients age 12-39 which is higher than the incidence reported to US advisory committees