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The quote-Tweeted thread mentioned recipes as one of the things that has been SEObliterated. It's a great example of the problem, and also a great example of th
by deltarholamda 5y ago
The quote-Tweeted thread mentioned recipes as one of the things that has been SEObliterated. It's a great example of the problem, and also a great example of the problems any solution will encounter.
Recipes have become a bellwether Internet problem. In the past, your great-grandmother had a card file with a bunch of 3x5 index cards with the ingredients and instructions on how to make everything, and they pretty much all fit on one side. There was a great deal of domain knowledge required (e.g. "whip to stiff peaks"), but these things reveled in their terseness.
Internet recipes all begin with 9 paragraphs of the author's first time encoutering the dish in a Moroccan bazaar in 1997, and the life story of the chef. There are two embedded 10-minute videos of the lifecycle of the vanilla bean. And then you get to the ingredient list. Then two more 10-minute videos, then instructions.
The drive to make recipes full-contact Internet content has changed what it means to be a recipe. This is similar to how cooking shows evolved from Julia Childs working on a sound stage to a carnival barker presentation with vivid personalities dominating the scene.
I'm not sure there is any technological solution to a problem that has fundamentally changed what it means to be a recipe, short of establishing a new informational silo in the form of a new Web site devoted to recipes only. You could encourage an RSS-like format for recipes, but that requires buy-in from places that profit from the new evolution. This new status quo may be good or bad--you can make the argument either way--but it is what it is. A cultural change is required more than tweaking algorithms.
(Unless tweaking algorithms can be foundational to cultural change, in which case we really, really, really need to take a hard look at the corporate behemoths and their algorithms, and sooner better than later.)
- foobarian 5y agoThe recipe problem is mostly because actual recipes are not copyrightable. See e.g. https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2015/03/24/recipes-copyright-and-plagiarism/ https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2015/03/24/recipes-copyright...
- leobg 5y agoNeither are ideas. Hence article spinning and book summaries. We need a semantic dupe filter: If it doesn’t add new facts or new ideas, treat it as an identical copy.
- max49 5y ago>I'm not sure there is any technological solution The technological solution would be to stop rewarding them for these monstrosities. One of the main motivator for turning a short recipes into a 19 page essai about the chef's life is that more words = better ranking.
- Nextgrid 5y agoAnd the end game is that ads pay for it. Nuke ads or downrank them and the incentive goes away, making space for enthusiast non-profit-driven websites.
- notreallyserio 5y agoAnd funny enough, it's obvious that Google's engineers know this because they're adding more small, self-hosted featured results to the top of the page all the time.
- deltarholamda 5y agoBut the technology is solely controlled by a single multinational advertising corporation. The motivations are controlled by that same advertising corporation. Which is the same as there being no technological solutions.