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I've seen 2 people on my Facebook feed have issues. One is pretty big in the skydiving community. He had a Moderna booster and it all went downhill. He's doi

by dham 5y ago

I've seen 2 people on my Facebook feed have issues. One is pretty big in the skydiving community. He had a Moderna booster and it all went downhill. He's doing better now. He initially thought the vaccine was to blame but then it seemed that there were issues for a while but it kind of put him over the edge. Again all anecdotal.

UnFleshedOne 5y ago
It would make sense that pre-existing heart issues would be worsened by vaccine that has heart complications. Similar to how covid itself is much more deadly with pre-existing comorbidities while being mostly harmless for healthy young people.
- jjeaff 5y ago
  Imagine having preexisting heart conditions and getting COVID, which is known to have much higher rates of heart complications.
orangebeet 5y ago
- gregoryl 5y ago
  Your language pushes pretty hard for a conclusion. Consider: A friend had no heart issues for 35 years, decided to take a new route to work, and dropped dead of a heart attack. Is it coincidental? Of course it is. Anecdotal / single point evidence is completely useless. The study gives you the actual numbers on how likely it's a coincidence or not.
  - aaplok 5y ago
    > The study gives you the actual numbers on how likely it's a coincidence or not. The study doesn't really do that. What it does is compare different methodologies for counting the number of incidences of (myo|peri)-carditis following the 2nd shot. They conclude that the methodology used officially gives lower numbers than other methodologies. Counting how likely a coincidence it is is something we can do reasonably well using standard null hypothesis testing: compare the number of incidences of pericarditis in a random sample against a sample of patients post-vaccine. But this is not something that the article does. The difficulty, discussed in the article, lies in deciding what counts as "post-vaccine".
  - robbedpeter 5y ago
    There are multiple data points, evidence of heart issues being caused by vaccines, Moderna in particular because of higher relative doses. It's not unreasonable to suspect causation when the event matches a known pattern.
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- yunohn 5y ago
  > If it takes 3 weeks to get the the hospital in Denmark, how long does it take in India? I’m not sure why you keep comparing Denmark to India, but India actually has very accessible on-demand healthcare compared to the USA/EU. It wouldn’t be an issue.
  - screye 5y ago
    Yeah, my family in india is able to get at home testing for everything from covid to blood tests. On the other hand, I have to wait for days to get tested with my American healthcare.
- decebalus1 5y ago
  > My story is definitely anecdotal, but my cardiologist said that unfortunately she couldn't register this with VAERS because I got there too late. If it takes 3 weeks to get the the hospital in Denmark, how long does it take in India? Highly skeptical about this. In the US, I registered to vsafe after my vaccines and got pinged for a survey daily after the dose for a week (IIRC) then weekly for a month. Then again after 6 months. All surveys asking about my condition, new symptoms, etc.. Not saying you're lying, or that your doctor was full of shit, but I don't believe there's any time limit for reporting possible vaccine side effects. Also, VAERS is an American thing. Not sure what Denmark has to do with it. If there's a Danish equivalent, why didn't you mention it? I'm sorry, but your post has too many red flags.

by dham 5y ago

UnFleshedOne 5y ago

It would make sense that pre-existing heart issues would be worsened by vaccine that has heart complications. Similar to how covid itself is much more deadly with pre-existing comorbidities while being mostly harmless for healthy young people.

jjeaff 5y ago
Imagine having preexisting heart conditions and getting COVID, which is known to have much higher rates of heart complications.

orangebeet 5y ago

gregoryl 5y ago
Your language pushes pretty hard for a conclusion. Consider: A friend had no heart issues for 35 years, decided to take a new route to work, and dropped dead of a heart attack. Is it coincidental? Of course it is. Anecdotal / single point evidence is completely useless. The study gives you the actual numbers on how likely it's a coincidence or not.
- aaplok 5y ago
  > The study gives you the actual numbers on how likely it's a coincidence or not. The study doesn't really do that. What it does is compare different methodologies for counting the number of incidences of (myo|peri)-carditis following the 2nd shot. They conclude that the methodology used officially gives lower numbers than other methodologies. Counting how likely a coincidence it is is something we can do reasonably well using standard null hypothesis testing: compare the number of incidences of pericarditis in a random sample against a sample of patients post-vaccine. But this is not something that the article does. The difficulty, discussed in the article, lies in deciding what counts as "post-vaccine".
- robbedpeter 5y ago
  There are multiple data points, evidence of heart issues being caused by vaccines, Moderna in particular because of higher relative doses. It's not unreasonable to suspect causation when the event matches a known pattern.
- deleted 5y ago
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yunohn 5y ago
> If it takes 3 weeks to get the the hospital in Denmark, how long does it take in India? I’m not sure why you keep comparing Denmark to India, but India actually has very accessible on-demand healthcare compared to the USA/EU. It wouldn’t be an issue.
- screye 5y ago
  Yeah, my family in india is able to get at home testing for everything from covid to blood tests. On the other hand, I have to wait for days to get tested with my American healthcare.
decebalus1 5y ago
> My story is definitely anecdotal, but my cardiologist said that unfortunately she couldn't register this with VAERS because I got there too late. If it takes 3 weeks to get the the hospital in Denmark, how long does it take in India? Highly skeptical about this. In the US, I registered to vsafe after my vaccines and got pinged for a survey daily after the dose for a week (IIRC) then weekly for a month. Then again after 6 months. All surveys asking about my condition, new symptoms, etc.. Not saying you're lying, or that your doctor was full of shit, but I don't believe there's any time limit for reporting possible vaccine side effects. Also, VAERS is an American thing. Not sure what Denmark has to do with it. If there's a Danish equivalent, why didn't you mention it? I'm sorry, but your post has too many red flags.