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About 7 days after the first mRNA shot, I got really bad chest pain. I went to see my doctor and my EKG was okay. It only got worse from there, and eventually I
by orangebeet 5y ago
About 7 days after the first mRNA shot, I got really bad chest pain. I went to see my doctor and my EKG was okay. It only got worse from there, and eventually I was sent to the hospital and diagnosed with pericarditis.
The pericarditis wasn't registered as "caused by the vaccine", since it took three weeks before I finally got a hospital appointment, and by then it was too late to prove. I'm 31 years old and relatively fit and I've never had any issues until 7 days after the vaccine. So when this wasn't attributed to the vaccine, here in Denmark, what percentage of issues will be attributed to the vaccine in a country with a greater population density, like India?
As a consequence of this, I find the "~23 in a million" get heart complications highly questionable.
- dham 5y agoI've seen 2 people on my Facebook feed have issues. One is pretty big in the skydiving community. He had a Moderna booster and it all went downhill. He's doing better now. He initially thought the vaccine was to blame but then it seemed that there were issues for a while but it kind of put him over the edge. Again all anecdotal.
- UnFleshedOne 5y agoIt would make sense that pre-existing heart issues would be worsened by vaccine that has heart complications. Similar to how covid itself is much more deadly with pre-existing comorbidities while being mostly harmless for healthy young people.
- jjeaff 5y agoImagine having preexisting heart conditions and getting COVID, which is known to have much higher rates of heart complications.
- orangebeet 5y ago
- gregoryl 5y agoYour language pushes pretty hard for a conclusion. Consider: A friend had no heart issues for 35 years, decided to take a new route to work, and dropped dead of a heart attack. Is it coincidental? Of course it is. Anecdotal / single point evidence is completely useless. The study gives you the actual numbers on how likely it's a coincidence or not.
- aaplok 5y ago> The study gives you the actual numbers on how likely it's a coincidence or not. The study doesn't really do that. What it does is compare different methodologies for counting the number of incidences of (myo|peri)-carditis following the 2nd shot. They conclude that the methodology used officially gives lower numbers than other methodologies. Counting how likely a coincidence it is is something we can do reasonably well using standard null hypothesis testing: compare the number of incidences of pericarditis in a random sample against a sample of patients post-vaccine. But this is not something that the article does. The difficulty, discussed in the article, lies in deciding what counts as "post-vaccine".
- robbedpeter 5y agoThere are multiple data points, evidence of heart issues being caused by vaccines, Moderna in particular because of higher relative doses. It's not unreasonable to suspect causation when the event matches a known pattern.
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- yunohn 5y ago> If it takes 3 weeks to get the the hospital in Denmark, how long does it take in India? I’m not sure why you keep comparing Denmark to India, but India actually has very accessible on-demand healthcare compared to the USA/EU. It wouldn’t be an issue.
- screye 5y ago
- megous 5y agoage 18-24, 537 per million age 12-17, 377 per million
- jabej 5y agoThis should be compared to death rates from COVID.
- mostertoaster 5y agoHow come? There is a higher risk to dying from a covid infection (at least with delta) than from the vaccine as far as we can see in the short term. But there is still a risk from the vaccine. If there was a train hurtling down the tracks about to kill five people many think they’d be able to push the switch to make it only kill one different person, yet I wouldn’t be able to do even that let alone the more intense situations from that scenario. Thinking of people as numbers is what allows for someone to think it is ok to coerce people into getting vaccines.
- tomjakubowski 5y agoA person susceptible to heart conditions from the vaccine would probably also be susceptible to the same (or worse) from the disease itself. Your hapless groups of people on the tracks, the five and the one, aren't independent. It may well be flipping the switch only saves lives.
- orangebeet 5y agoI am absolutely pro vaccine despite my heart problems, but this kind of argumentation basically means that regardless of how bad the vaccine is, it gets away free because "covid would probably be worse".
- gregoryl 5y agoCovid is dramatically, consistently and provably worse. Its not even in the same ballpark.
- RedBeetDeadpool 5y agoJust out of curiosity, would your bad chest pain get registered as some part of the data collected by the CDC?
- jjeaff 5y agoIn the US, it would be required that the doctors report it to the VAERS database. There is no need to prove any causal relationship, since that is basically impossible anyway. It doesn't really make sense that Denmark would require you to prove it either, since the data gathering is really the only tool to get evidence of causation.
- merpnderp 5y ago"In the US, it would be required that the doctors report it to the VAERS database." From my personal experience and what I've heard online, that seems like wishful thinking. I know two people who had bad heart reactions to the vaccine whose doctors insisted it couldn't be from the vaccine and wouldn't speak of it being connected. And it seems like I've heard similar stories online dozens of times. My guess is the VAERS data dramatically undercounts incidents. The Pfizer whistleblower paper claimed that even in the early days of the vaccine, internal Pfizer incidents weren't even reported. And given how hostile the entire internet is to discussions of vaccine safety, the idea that people are extremely reluctant to report vaccine injuries seems believable.
- basq 5y agoSame. It's got so bad it keeps me awake at night, and prevents me from taking naps. Heart thumping harder than when I go for a run, but just while laying down on the couch. I've noticed my omega3 supplements help a lot though, as in, almost instantly. It comes back if I forget to take them for a few days too, so that's a possible cause as well. Just sucks to have that in the back of my mind.
- asfarley 5y agoDamn, when you put it that way about thumping heart while laying down, I am now starting to worry.