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YouTube and Twitter delete Joe Rogan interview with scientist
- smt88 5y ago"Dr Robert Malone claimed US is now like Nazi Germany with society 'hypnotized' to believe in vaccines and extreme pandemic measures"
- mattcwilson 5y agoDid Dr. Malone use the word “Nazi?” Or is that getting planted to bias people reading the headline and the lede of the article? https://odysee.com/@altmedia96:2/dr-robert-malone-joe-rogan-experience-1093:e?t=9929 https://odysee.com/@altmedia96:2/dr-robert-malone-joe-rogan-...
- wKbU8B-QVZk 5y ago> "what the heck happened in Germany in the 20s and 30s" In context this clearly refers to Nazi Germany, I don't believe he used the word. That was added by the far-right tabloid publishing this article.
- verdverm 5y agoThe longer quote includes the question (paraphrasing) "How does an educated and intelligent society succumb to and embrace extreme ideas?" The longer clip is quite interesting to ponder in it's relation to our current issues with tribalism.
- iszomer 5y agoHe [Dr. Malone] used "mass formation psychosis" to describe the observed generality of what is happening and mentioned the historical effects learned from the Nuremberg trials to put it into a relatable context.
- LinuxBender 5y agoListening to it on Spotify to see what this is all about and form my own opinion.
- CodeGlitch 5y agoThat is until Spotify take it down, then no one can listen to it... Regardless of whether it is anti-vax nonsense or not.
- jfmatth 5y agoI think Rogan has a deal with them NOT to do this, but we'll see
- brodouevencode 5y agoThis level of protection (from what I've read on other sites for whatever that's worth) was part of the deal when moving to Spotify.
- LinuxBender 5y agoIt's fine, the entire podcast is also on bitchute.
- LinuxBender 5y agoThe discussion with Dr. Malone is quite fascinating. I would encourage everyone to watch the entire interview and be ready to take notes. There is a lot of information packed into this interview.
- 8note 5y agoWhat's your plan for verifying that information? Reproducing the results?
- LinuxBender 5y agoI will probably start by reviewing some of the papers he mentions. Then I will reach out to my friends in the scientific community. I'm sure they will be totally thrilled to answer all my dumb questions. Then when the dust settles I might reach out to one of the people he mentions who happens to be a friend of an acquaintance. Whatever questions remain might end up on StackExchange. [1][2][3] Oh and I might ask some questions here. [1] - https://biology.stackexchange.com/ https://biology.stackexchange.com/ [2] - https://medicalsciences.stackexchange.com/ https://medicalsciences.stackexchange.com/ [3] - https://psychology.stackexchange.com/ https://psychology.stackexchange.com/
- GenerocUsername 5y agoFor posterity, here is Dr Robert Malone's Google scholar profile showing his parents and papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Jf1bApYAAAAJ&hl=en https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Jf1bApYAAAAJ&hl=en
- jebronie 5y agoJust 12k citations? Hardly a real scientist. Follow the real science. This comment was brought to you by Pfizer.
- skyde 5y agowell to be fair a h-index of 32 is very low in this field
- boringg 5y agoGonna put it out there .. number of citations != real science. People are aware of the value of number of citations as a proxy metric and game the system for it.
- mannanj 5y agoAs are Pharmacy companies aware of all the other metrics they can game and game them with bigger deeper pockets. What’s your point? That pharmacy isn’t gaming it but one man is?
- 8note 5y agoThe point is that the metric being used to indicate trustworthiness isn't sufficient to indicate trustworthiness
- UncleMeat 5y agoHe obviously is a real scientist. Still, plenty of individual scientists go off the deep end w.r.t. various subtopics. "Science" is the output of a community, not individuals.
- paxys 5y agoHeadline – interview deleted from Twitter. Article contains embedded video of the entire interview on Twitter.
- willcipriano 5y agoI believe that is hosted by the daily mail and it's two minutes long.
- gruez 5y agoI think he's talking about the embed that goes to https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1477004239025184773 https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/14770042390251847...
- willcipriano 5y agoOn mobile those didn't appear for me (probably something with my ad blocker), but on desktop they now do. They still appear to be 2 minutes and change long.
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- sandstrom 5y agoNever heard of him, but seems like he's published a lot of scientific articles on vaccines over the past 20+ years. He has a personal website with some more details on who he is: https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ https://www.rwmalonemd.com/ In his own words, he's a scientist that believes in vaccines, but believe that too many shortcuts has been taken in developing the Covid-vaccines, and that big pharma has too much influence in forcing them onto everyone. Don't know if this is true or not, but just a quick summary of what his stance seems to be.
- skyde 5y agothanks for the unbiased summary we need more people like you
- freyr 5y agoHe also retweeted claims that the Covid vaccines killed twice as many people as they saved. Being critical of the vaccine is one thing, but that crosses into an extraordinary and borderline mathematically-infeasible claim that defies virtually all the published data and observations provided by the rest of the scientific and medical community, and requires strong evidence to support it.
- mannanj 5y agoThere is data from VAERS and Vsafe that supports his claims though. So hardly “mathematically infeasible”. There is literally no other data available to you or I. What data are you using to support your claim?
- _dw7s 5y agohttps://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html > When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event. What data supports what claim? You are also aware that anyone can submit reports to VAERS, right? Until someone actively investigates the case and finds it was indeed caused by the vaccine, the VAERS data does not show anything. Using VAERS as your 'data' in a rhetoric is highly unscientific. Let's also not forget how the raw VAERS data was used during the autism-vaccine link litigation. We should know better.
- ianai 5y agoWhat I’m actually more worried about now is the stress on the medical system. I’ve seen reports and heard personally that the medical systems here in the US are pretty close to collapse.
- mannanj 5y agoIt’s sad to think about, but isn’t the entire economy on the brink of uncertainty? What would give the medical system any exception to that besides the intervention by big brother - the exact intervention which really didn’t work during covid-19. Our health care system was rotten and had broken incentives well before covid-19, I think the same factors that were keeping that system in the state before are now being stress tested and must either cave or continue to extract value in a self preserving way that would no longer work in this fast pace environment.
- ianai 5y agoIt’s not so much whether it’s a shock it’s this way. It’s a critical part of the civilization that once gone will endanger and lead to people dying in large numbers by things they ordinarily wouldn’t have died. There’s no fast way to replace them, too. Tangent, I’ve seen articles musing about hospitality staff shifting to these positions from hotels, restaurants, and the like. The article I read clearly had no firm grasp on the knowledge and years of training needed to replace a nurse or even a tech.
- eyablokov 5y agoRogan stopped publishing his episodes on YouTube, since his contract with Spotify says that.
- listless 5y agoExactly. How do we know this wasn’t just copyright protection? And in any case, YouTube is notorious for removing anything controversial with no regard for censorship concerns. It’s what they do.
- ajvs 5y agoHe's allowed to post short clips from his Spotify episodes on YouTube, these were what was deleted. He hasn't had full episodes on YouTube ever since he moved to Spotify.
- guilhas 5y agoThe reason he doesn't publish more videos is that if he does Youtube will give him more 'strikes' and eventually delete his channel and all his content It is strategically better to preserve his existing YT presence. And for that it is smart not to publish anything else
- ekianjo 5y agocopies of the podcast not published by Rogan, on Youtube, were removed.
- unethical_ban 5y agoI don't know much about this guy, other than my conspiracy-laden mother citing him as reason enough to not take a vaccine. Along with the vaccine giving you the virus, it being dangerous, and so on. She's a polio survivor former alcoholic who has smoked a pack a day for most of the past 40 years - the hypocrisy and blindness hurts me. So I'm inclined, without knowing more, to say this man is at the least an unwilling tool of antivax conspirators. Does that mean it's right to ban him from social media? It was one thing to ban a treasonous president for fomenting an insurrection at the Capitol. It's another to ban scientists who invoke Godwin's law on a discussion regarding vaccine mandates. Suspending public figures should be a matter of emergency and dire consequence, not a habit. Even if I understand the "private website" perspective, and believe individual websites have a lot of legal leeway to ban as they wish, bans like this will have a backlash effect. Victim-complex people will cry out, and slippery-slope people will cry out. At least the man can still have a personal website if people wish to listen to him - he is still more accessible today than most people in the world were just 20 years ago.
- mattcwilson 5y ago+1 on the backlash of bans. Funny enough, that's why Dr. Malone isn't against vaccines at all, he's against mandates. (and vaccinating kids, specifically.) I'm also not at all convinced he's the one invoking Godwin's law. If you have 5 minutes, check out the relevant section of the interview: https://odysee.com/@altmedia96:2/dr-robert-malone-joe-rogan-experience-1093:e?t=9929 https://odysee.com/@altmedia96:2/dr-robert-malone-joe-rogan-...
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- unethical_ban 5y agoTrying to find and capture politicians during the process of certifying a national election in the United States is rebellion, not protest. The people who did that may have thought they were saving the country from a stolen election, but they were on the wrong side of history and reality. None of the college students in your videos were trying to murder the prime minister or bash law enforcement in the head with a fire extinguisher. To make this reply relevant to the discussion, my point is that the incumbent loser of an election told lies in order to rally his followers to violent protest/riot. That is a rare example of a justified ban from all social media for a public figure.
- estranhosidade 5y agoI'm still trying to wrap my head around the 1 million dollar question, and there is: who fact-checks the fact-checkers?
- mannanj 5y agoWe don’t ask questions like that around here, it induces vaccine hesitancy and sounds like misinformation. And we like to not ask questions that make us look anti mainstream.
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- Barrin92 5y agoWhy do people pretend this is some kind of deep philosophical conundrum? In this case Twitter, who hires the fact checkers, and the audience, who comments on what the fact checkers do, or is free to leave the service. Your comment and the article you are commenting on and this very discussion is 'checking the fact-checker'. Same way accountability in any system with many actors works, in reciprocal fashion.
- tanseydavid 5y agoNo one is pretending that it presents a philosophical conundrum -- it is exactly that. The vast majority of people would appear to miss this conundrum entirely and thereby never consider the fallibility and corruptibility of fact-checkers and/or experts. If you do not agree with this viewpoint fine, but to try to attribute deceit ("pretending" in your words) to anybody who thinks differently about it from you seems really odd and highly presumptuous to me.
- 8note 5y agoIn these cases where there's an obvious customer of the fact checking service, it is really obvious who is fact checking the fact checkers. The condundrum isn't who, it's whether they're doing a good job.
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- password1 5y agoI mean, the fact that 1 reputable scientist doesn't approve the vaccine doesn't disqualifies the thousands of reputable scientists that approves it. Scientific consensus is never unanimous.
- wKbU8B-QVZk 5y ago"Joe Rogan questions big tech..." The same Rogan with a Spotify deal? He...is big tech.
- ZeroGravitas 5y agoThe daily mail has done a lot of medical research: https://kill-or-cure.herokuapp.com/ https://kill-or-cure.herokuapp.com/
- Commodore63 5y agoMalone's been bootstrapping this "cancelled scientist" grift in plain sight since his appearance on Weinstein's podcast. It's a formula you see over and over again. 1) Say enough shit to get your hand slapped 2) Do the IDW podcast tour to whine about the "establishment" and plug your Patreon and/or supplements. 3) Get bankrolled by Thiel.
- hnburnsy 5y agoWhat is IDW?
- tibbydudeza 5y agoIntellectual Dark Web - the folks like Joe Rogan and Brett Weinstein who recommend horse dewormer for Covid treatment :).
- pitched 5y agohttps://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-t... No need to downplay it by calling it “horse dewormer” now that we know where the correlations come from. “human dewormer” might be more accurate!
- jakobnissen 5y agoIvermectin is not horse dewormer, characterizing it as such is just lazy propaganda. It's primarily human dewormer. The whole idea of it being a house dewormer came about because the medicine intended for human use sold out around the initial hype, and desperate people bought the doses intended for animals instead.
- tibbydudeza 5y agoSo horse paste then - and it is still idiotic to use it as a Covid treatment.
- m-p-3 5y agoWhy are YouTube and Twitter considered the bad guys here? Joe Rogan signed an exclusivity deal with Spotify, republishing the content somewhere else without Spotify's consent is copyright infringement and the other platforms are legally obliged to take it down. That's not censorship at all.