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Your argument sounds like "if the men harass women why can not the women harass the men." To be fair women do harass men, only because the law is written in fa

Your argument sounds like "if the men harass women why can not the women harass the men." To be fair women do harass men, only because the law is written in favour of women. We are talking about power assymetry and continuing hold on institutions like universities, media and bureaucracy. I am not finger pointing but people should be aware that these are just a continuing colonial mindset. Unlike the Nazi party which was disbanded at the end of ww2, a lot of colonialists and colonial institutions like the church got rewarded with vast deposits and land holdings.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
Everybody can write a book, so there is no power asymmetry in that regard. There are powerful media outlets with agendas, but nobody is forced to watch their stuff, either. And as for your harassment example, the analogy is more like "men are being harassed because all books are only about men harassing women". The complaint is "Africa is being harassed because all books are only about things that are bad in Africa". The issues exist in Africa, so it should be possible to write about them.
- naruvimama 5y ago
  I have written in favour of the post. I have written in favour of the people accused in the post, because it is the ecosystem and not their personal character. My post being downvoted proves precisely the point, people get triggered by the mention of neo-colonialism. People on both sides both the colonised and colonisers are programmed to protect the colonisers by all means. People go to Africa to see wildlife is because they have hunted down every bear, bison and wolf in their own homeland. So you can be the wolf preaching vegetarianism to the sheep.
  - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
    People get triggered by unsubstantiated bullshit claims. To frame the modern world in terms of "colonizers" is misleading bullshit. As for wildlife, what do you want, the right to drive your wildlife to extinction, too? Really? And you would prefer if no tourists come to Africa? Are you sure those are good ideas? Who is forcing you to tolerate tourists to see African wildlife? Will the "colonizers" come with tanks and airplanes to force the "colonized" to open up their parks for tourists, if people in Africa should decide to shut them down? In reality, with the lost income from tourism, people would probably resort to eating the wildlife until it is gone, like in other parts of the world. And then you'd be left with nothing.
    - naruvimama 5y ago
      https://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/why-43-of-british-still-think-colonial-empire-was-a-good-thing-and-a-source-of-pride/572651/ https://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/why-43-of-british-sti... This a far cry from the constant guilt laid on the shoulders of Germans. The Germans paid a heavy price but the treasury of the colonies held in British banks went on to pay the pensions of the colonisers. > As for wildlife, what do you want, the right to drive your wildlife to extinction, too? If that is how you understood it, you probably need to improve your reading and critical thinking skills. What I meant is that Europeans whose national boundaries are marked by language, religious denomination, and have (very recent) history of wiping out both wildlife and civilisations should stop being preachy.
      - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
        "the treasury of the colonies held in British banks went on to pay the pensions of the colonisers." A lot of things went in in the past. Didn't humans evolve in Afrika? So I guess the ancestors of todays Africans somehow drove my ancestors away, presumably by stealing their land. Am I owed reparations by Africa now? "What I meant is that Europeans whose national boundaries are marked by language, religious denomination, and have (very recent) history of wiping out both wildlife and civilisations should stop being preachy." They are preachy about not killing off your wildlife, so if you say they shouldn't preach about that, it follows logically that you think killing off the wildlife should be OK. And sorry, but everybody is free to preach about whatever they want. You are free not to listen.
        naruvimama 5y ago
        I am not talking about reparations. No one is looking for charity or concessions from Europeans anyway. I do not think very many people hold a grudge either. You are just firing all over the place. My statement is simple, Europeans are used to seeing their colonies as a poorer and miserable mirror image of themselves. As much as a white evangelist see their recent converts, as a white man's burden. Except for political independence, colonial institutions and traditions remain the same on both sides. Whether it is the BBC, the labour party, the royalty or the universities their mindset remains in the colonial Era. There is a clear repulsion to intellectual independence or the ex-colonies developing independent institutions. This revulsion is similar to the one a white evangelist feels when native traditions or religions make a come back and he/she is loosing his/her flock.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago

Everybody can write a book, so there is no power asymmetry in that regard. There are powerful media outlets with agendas, but nobody is forced to watch their stuff, either. And as for your harassment example, the analogy is more like "men are being harassed because all books are only about men harassing women". The complaint is "Africa is being harassed because all books are only about things that are bad in Africa". The issues exist in Africa, so it should be possible to write about them.

naruvimama 5y ago
I have written in favour of the post. I have written in favour of the people accused in the post, because it is the ecosystem and not their personal character. My post being downvoted proves precisely the point, people get triggered by the mention of neo-colonialism. People on both sides both the colonised and colonisers are programmed to protect the colonisers by all means. People go to Africa to see wildlife is because they have hunted down every bear, bison and wolf in their own homeland. So you can be the wolf preaching vegetarianism to the sheep.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  People get triggered by unsubstantiated bullshit claims. To frame the modern world in terms of "colonizers" is misleading bullshit. As for wildlife, what do you want, the right to drive your wildlife to extinction, too? Really? And you would prefer if no tourists come to Africa? Are you sure those are good ideas? Who is forcing you to tolerate tourists to see African wildlife? Will the "colonizers" come with tanks and airplanes to force the "colonized" to open up their parks for tourists, if people in Africa should decide to shut them down? In reality, with the lost income from tourism, people would probably resort to eating the wildlife until it is gone, like in other parts of the world. And then you'd be left with nothing.
  - naruvimama 5y ago
    https://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/why-43-of-british-still-think-colonial-empire-was-a-good-thing-and-a-source-of-pride/572651/ https://theprint.in/pageturner/excerpt/why-43-of-british-sti... This a far cry from the constant guilt laid on the shoulders of Germans. The Germans paid a heavy price but the treasury of the colonies held in British banks went on to pay the pensions of the colonisers. > As for wildlife, what do you want, the right to drive your wildlife to extinction, too? If that is how you understood it, you probably need to improve your reading and critical thinking skills. What I meant is that Europeans whose national boundaries are marked by language, religious denomination, and have (very recent) history of wiping out both wildlife and civilisations should stop being preachy.
    - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
      "the treasury of the colonies held in British banks went on to pay the pensions of the colonisers." A lot of things went in in the past. Didn't humans evolve in Afrika? So I guess the ancestors of todays Africans somehow drove my ancestors away, presumably by stealing their land. Am I owed reparations by Africa now? "What I meant is that Europeans whose national boundaries are marked by language, religious denomination, and have (very recent) history of wiping out both wildlife and civilisations should stop being preachy." They are preachy about not killing off your wildlife, so if you say they shouldn't preach about that, it follows logically that you think killing off the wildlife should be OK. And sorry, but everybody is free to preach about whatever they want. You are free not to listen.
      - naruvimama 5y ago
        I am not talking about reparations. No one is looking for charity or concessions from Europeans anyway. I do not think very many people hold a grudge either. You are just firing all over the place. My statement is simple, Europeans are used to seeing their colonies as a poorer and miserable mirror image of themselves. As much as a white evangelist see their recent converts, as a white man's burden. Except for political independence, colonial institutions and traditions remain the same on both sides. Whether it is the BBC, the labour party, the royalty or the universities their mindset remains in the colonial Era. There is a clear repulsion to intellectual independence or the ex-colonies developing independent institutions. This revulsion is similar to the one a white evangelist feels when native traditions or religions make a come back and he/she is loosing his/her flock.